Exposing the inaccuracy of Compubox

[Rath]

The primary purpose of compubox is to serve warning to everyone else that the person referencing it is an idiot.

what about the press row?

Floyd fans used that too in their arguments.

like "majority of the press scored it for Floyd"

but since i ask them about how are press vote counts.

like for example:

how much vote does a veteran press count compare to a newbie press?

how much does a yahoo press representative vote counts compare to a ESPN press representative etc...

from then on, i have yet to see again

Floyd fans using "majority of the press scored if for Floyd".

[ganthet]

Interesting thread but manny lost. I can tell you right now he was outlanded.

I've watched the fight 3 or 4 times and the only thing I can remember is mayweather landing jabs and right hands very clearly and manny throwing ineffective flurries. Manny did land a few left hands and some body shots.

Watching the fight 3, 4 or even 10 times on normal playing speed will never be more accurate than watching the fight with the sole purpose of looking at all the punches in slow-mo and slow-mo replaying the punches over and over again until something conclusive can be formed. Just saying.

[Dr Rumack]

Good post, daggum. Love seeing Compubox exposed for the crock of shit it is.

I had it 8-4 Floyd scoring it live. I've been baffled by the reactions to the fight that have emerged since.

(1) It really wasn't that bad of a fight. I had hoped for more but it was tactical and interesting for the first 8/9 rounds at least with Floyd closing the show in my book.

(2) I thought coming into the fight that there was one fundamental question, and that was whether or not Manny could consistently get into scoring position. The answer to that would decide the nature of the fight. He couldn't, and in such case the fight we got was the only one that could have emerged. The talk of Floyd walking him down and stopping him was fantasy from the start.

(3) In my opinion, Manny wasn't dominated any more than he was by JMM in their third fight. Both Floyd and JMM pretty much stopped Manny from getting into scoring position in their respective fights. The major difference between the two was Floyd's jab, which was really on point I thought and put daylight between the two fighters that wasn't really there in Pac-JMM III.


I can't say I have any real enthusiasm for a rematch. I think the shoulder injury is legit but has been embarrassingly overplayed as an issue by the Pacquiao team in the last few days. Naturally it would make a difference, but I don't think it matters in the most fundamental sense which is whether or not Manny can cut the distance against Floyd on a consistent basis. Manny's shoulder was fine against Marquez back in 2011 but he looked as out of ideas back then as he did on Saturday night.

The biggest issue is that the look of the fight just isn't in Manny's favour, just like it wasn't in JMM's favour in 2011. The fight did, and probably always will, look like a Mayweather fight regardless of the exact number of punches landed. Manny outlanding Floyd by 1-2 shots in a round doesn't overcome that. It's the nature of professional boxing.

[Dr Rumack]

what about the press row?

Floyd fans used that too in their arguments.

like "majority of the press scored it for Floyd"

but since i ask them about how are press vote counts.

like for example:

how much vote does a veteran press count compare to a newbie press?

how much does a yahoo press representative vote counts compare to a ESPN press representative etc...

from then on, i have yet to see again

Floyd fans using "majority of the press scored if for Floyd".

I would adopt a 'wisdom of crowds' attitude to that. I don't think Dan Rafael's score (whatever it was) is inherently more reliable than a score submitted by some blogger on Grantland.

But you add 100-200 of those scores together and you'll have a pretty good picture of the fight that took place.

[jas]

Manny should have been more reckless

I was worried after hearing arum say PAC has to pressure but not be reckless

Third jmm fight Marquez would plant his feet and maintain a solid base ready to fire off a counter

Whereas Floyd is looking to land a scoring blow or a shot to stop you from getting to him then move. PAC wasn't in danger of Floyd knocking him out as he's coming in

And whilst it sounds like excuses, I'm convinced pacquaio had calf cramps during the fight

As for the fight Floyd did what I thought he would do. My last few posts before fight:

If mayweather wins but pacquaio waits too much, Floyd still deserves all the credit in the world.

But if that happens, people will be saying Floyd fought a shot pacquaio.
But mayweather hypnotises , discourages his opponents. He's the one that causes it

Roach has predicted opponents gameplans wrong before. Recently the schming ruenrog fight and before PAC Bradley both fights

Floyd won't go for early ko

I think Floyd's gonna be surprised at how quick pacs feet are and how difficult it is to get to him

PAC can't wait . He has to throw punches. And steal rounds with activity.

I think people are gonna be surprised at how pacquaio is the sharper fighter, the more co-ordinated athlete and that's whAt is gonna make him win the exchNges and ultimately the fight

Floyd is gonna wanna be first at times against a fast fighter like manny. He's gonna have to jab a lot, and use the pawing jab to keep Mannys right hook at bay and counter with the left hook over it. Floyd's gonna wanna limit Mannys output using lateral movement, check hooks as he's coming in, over hand rights if manny tried cutting him off from going to his left. You're gonna see Floyd work the body like me and tenma said ages ago

I see mayweather putting up a big charge in the middle rounds because he has a lot if will , heart, and skills but PAC wins a close decision

Burt Clements: 114-114
Dave moretti: 115-113 pacquaio
Glenn Feldman: 116-112 pacquaio

[Rath]

I would adopt a 'wisdom of crowds' attitude to that. I don't think Dan Rafael's score (whatever it was) is inherently more reliable than a score submitted by some blogger on Grantland.

But you add 100-200 of those scores together and you'll have a pretty good picture of the fight that took place.

wisdom of the crowd thought Pac wins.

what say you?

[jas]

I'm still convinced that pacquaio beats mayweather if they ever fight again

Yes, decrease in athleticism affects offensive fighter more than defensive fighter by nature of what strengths each fighter relies on , but pacquaio has the tools to beat mayweather on points.

[Weltschmerz]

I'm still convinced that pacquaio beats mayweather if they ever fight again

Yes, decrease in athleticism affects offensive fighter more than defensive fighter by nature of what strengths each fighter relies on , but pacquaio has the tools to beat mayweather on points.

He has to KO Floyd to win, it seems clear by now.

[Rath]

He has to KO Floyd to win, it seems clear by now.

agree to this.

i have posted for as many as i can remember.

unless Floyd gets KO'd Floyd by default wins every fight.

judges are only needed for confirmation to make it official.

[DD09]

I'm going to be doing my own compubox review of the fight while watching it closely. I'm only counting clean punches, not punches that hit gloves, shoulders, tickle the nose with no force etc..i'm counting punches. i will have 3 categories jabs, power punches, and body shots. let's see how accurate/inaccurate compubox is. I will also be keep track of the clinches/bending below the waist and other fouls i find but that is for another thread.

Thank you for the analysis Daggum. This might be reaching, but if you could make a video walking through each punch and talking over, I think that would be extremely enlightening for many fans on here. I know it would take forever, but maybe do it for swing rounds at the minimum.

I believe that is one thing that is lacking in boxing. A good show which uses good analysis to break down fights. Most shows are people just arguing and giving opinions without backing their statements up with video data. In any other sport, video footage is shown in slow motion explaining a play, etc.

Anyhow, if you had a youtube channel or blog doing this for various fights, I would definitely watch it.