Haye & Vitali Rotator Cuff injury...

**Dean_Razorback** · 05-05-2015, 11:13 PM

i don't understand the butt-hurt in floyd's fans, he won.

**Redd Foxx** · 05-05-2015, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by deathofaclown

David Haye had surgery on his rotator cuff, i know he has many excuses for things but that injury was legit.

Anyway, the point is that some boxing journalist said he had been with David Haye at some point between the injury and when he got surgery at some dinner/ceremony and that Haye was essentially having a hard time even lifting a glass of water to his mouth without it hurting. My girlfriends sister is a sports physio working in a the training complex of professional football (soccer) team and she's into her boxing and feels there's no way you're throwing any form of punch with a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff and all the painkillers in the world won't mask it because a torn Rotator Cuff wouldn't allow the motion of a lot of the punches Manny was throwing with it.

I know there's different levels of injury but considering Manny is reported to have a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff, I can't fathom how he could seem to show no signs of it during a fight. He was absolutely fine in a video a week before the fight. He was also looking great in the media workout on 15th of April...so i'm not exactly sure when this injury was meant to be but there's video evidence of him looking fine at different points in the month leading up to it.

Yet another guy had a significantly torn rotator cuff but could barely drink a glass of water. Even Vitali retired with a few rounds to go in a fight he was winning clearly because it was so bad.

I'm not going to say he was flat out lying but it's hard to swallow if you not too emotional to look at things objectively. This type of injury is no joke and that fight we all watched didn't not look like a man with a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff.

He had 50% of his normal output. Have you ever watched him fight before? Evenbefore the injury was revealed, everyone was saying that something was off. This really isn't that hard to figure out.

**Rustle Wilson** · 05-06-2015, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Redd Foxx

He had 50% of his normal output. Have you ever watched him fight before? Evenbefore the injury was revealed, everyone was saying that something was off. This really isn't that hard to figure out.

Even before this fight it's already been proven that that you can significantly lower Pac's output with the threat of right hand counters and/or by sticking a jab in his face as well as by using lateral movement...both Bradley & Marquez employed these steps and lowered Pac's output substantially in their fights...Mayweather is levels above both Marquez and Bradley and it showed. Pac's uncharacteristically low output had everything to do with the man infront of him, which was leaps and bounds the best opponent he's ever faced. There was no injury. The result of the fight had more to do with the stark gap in skills between the two. Pac is just not on Mayweather's level and it showed.

**ThePrince** · 05-06-2015, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Rustle Wilson

Even before this fight it's already been proven that that you can significantly lower Pac's output with the threat of right hand counters and/or by sticking a jab in his face as well as by using lateral movement...both Bradley & Marquez employed these steps and lowered Pac's output substantially in their fights...Mayweather is levels above both Marquez and Bradley and it showed. Pac's uncharacteristically low output had everything to do with the man infront of him, which was leaps and bounds the best opponent he's ever faced. There was no injury. The result of the fight had more to do with the stark gap in skills between the two. Pac is just not on Mayweather's level and it showed.

Come on man. Lowering Pac's output is one thing. But he threw less than Maidana in the rematch where Floyd 'ran' and clinched even more than he did this past Saturday. Obviously something was off with Pac.

He ate like 2,000 right hands from Marquez but always threw and threw and threw, even when Marquez's counters and movements cut down his normal output. Didn't seem like anything Floyd threw at him hurt enough to stymie him. Manny said as much after the fight.

Just couldn't let his hands go like he wanted outside of spurts here and there.

**beez721** · 05-06-2015, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by deathofaclown

David Haye had surgery on his rotator cuff, i know he has many excuses for things but that injury was legit.

Anyway, the point is that some boxing journalist said he had been with David Haye at some point between the injury and when he got surgery at some dinner/ceremony and that Haye was essentially having a hard time even lifting a glass of water to his mouth without it hurting. My girlfriends sister is a sports physio working in a the training complex of professional football (soccer) team and she's into her boxing and feels there's no way you're throwing any form of punch with a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff and all the painkillers in the world won't mask it because a torn Rotator Cuff wouldn't allow the motion of a lot of the punches Manny was throwing with it.

I know there's different levels of injury but considering Manny is reported to have a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff, I can't fathom how he could seem to show no signs of it during a fight. He was absolutely fine in a video a week before the fight. He was also looking great in the media workout on 15th of April...so i'm not exactly sure when this injury was meant to be but there's video evidence of him looking fine at different points in the month leading up to it.

Yet another guy had a significantly torn rotator cuff but could barely drink a glass of water. Even Vitali retired with a few rounds to go in a fight he was winning clearly because it was so bad.

I'm not going to say he was flat out lying but it's hard to swallow if you not too emotional to look at things objectively. This type of injury is no joke and that fight we all watched didn't not look like a man with a "significantly torn" Rotator Cuff.

Ive had two torn rotator cuffs in my lifetime and both were literally nauseating it hurt so bad. throwing a punch isnt going to happen with a complete tear but if youre going to go thru with the fight dont bring it up afterwards. paq shouldnt have fought but he did so he should have just kept his mouth shut about the injury. in a way he kinda cheated his fans by fighting hurt. he obviously wanted that paycheck more than winning the biggest fight of his career

**Redd Foxx** · 05-06-2015, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Rustle Wilson

Even before this fight it's already been proven that that you can significantly lower Pac's output with the threat of right hand counters and/or by sticking a jab in his face as well as by using lateral movement...both Bradley & Marquez employed these steps and lowered Pac's output substantially in their fights...Mayweather is levels above both Marquez and Bradley and it showed. Pac's uncharacteristically low output had everything to do with the man infront of him, which was leaps and bounds the best opponent he's ever faced. There was no injury. The result of the fight had more to do with the stark gap in skills between the two. Pac is just not on Mayweather's level and it showed.

That's entirely ignorant. Starting something and "proving" are two different things. Using the Bradley and Marquez fights weakens your point. Whether Floyd is a better fighter or not is also another subject. There are points that can be made toward that but it doesn't sound like you understand boxing mechanics well enough to articulate that point on it's own. As stated, it was pretty much universally recognized that Pacquiao's output and pursuit were unusually low. Mayweather wasn't dishing enough punishment to explain this aswe've seen Pac walk through far heavier attacks from numerous other opponents throughout his career, without diminishing his aggression. Sadly, it's a somewhat hollow victory for Mayweather fans and many seem to have a hard time coming to terms with it. Neither side is dealing with it well but the truth isn't always the easiest thing to grasp.

**beez721** · 05-06-2015, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Rustle Wilson

Even before this fight it's already been proven that that you can significantly lower Pac's output with the threat of right hand counters and/or by sticking a jab in his face as well as by using lateral movement...both Bradley & Marquez employed these steps and lowered Pac's output substantially in their fights...Mayweather is levels above both Marquez and Bradley and it showed. Pac's uncharacteristically low output had everything to do with the man infront of him, which was leaps and bounds the best opponent he's ever faced. There was no injury. The result of the fight had more to do with the stark gap in skills between the two. Pac is just not on Mayweather's level and it showed.

from what im hearing and from watching the fight it appears paq did have a serious legit injury but he shouldnt have used it as an excuse considering he chose to fight. I think mayweather would have eked out a win anyway but paq did appear to have an injury and is apparently getting surgery on a tear. ****** that he cheated us fans on fighting hurt. he just couldnt give up those millions

**DARKSEID** · 05-06-2015, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Redd Foxx

He had 50% of his normal output. Have you ever watched him fight before? Evenbefore the injury was revealed, everyone was saying that something was off. This really isn't that hard to figure out.

Those are my thoughts but if you say anything even remotely reasonable favoring Manny Pacquiao these guys will smell blood, get all panty twisted and rabidly jump on you blindly with all sorts of labels.

**Left Hook Tua** · 05-06-2015, 12:44 AM

it was probably a minor injury that healed partially then made it worst during the fight.

Haye & Vitali Rotator Cuff injury...