Best Middleweight Right Now?

[Run]

glad u agree

The only thing I agree with, is that voting for Edison "La Pantera" Miranda in the poll is ******ed. That makes voting for Felix Sturm acceptable, considering Sturm is a much better fighter than he is.



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[DiegoFuego]

Winky's only real loss was to JC Vasquez. He was robbed outright against Vargas and Simon...and I don't know what you mean regarding Candelo and Hernandez. He was on auto pilot like he normally is....and was cruising. He did more than enough to win those fights.

JT has also never legitimately beat anyone with a remote heartbeat. He robbed Hopkins twice....and beat guys who fought when he was in preschool.

you think Hopkins won those fights by 4 rounds? THAT would be a robbery. A 2-point swing either way is never a robbery in a close fight. Also, nobody believes Hopkins won that 2nd fight. Score every close round to Hopkins and it's still a Taylor win by 2 points.

[Larry Merchant]

6 judges saw the fight the right way JT beat hopkins closey but he def did win those fights man

[Run]

you think Hopkins won those fights by 4 rounds? THAT would be a robbery. A 2-point swing either way is never a robbery in a close fight. Also, nobody believes Hopkins won that 2nd fight. Score every close round to Hopkins and it's still a Taylor win by 2 points.

Legitimately can be intertwined with decisevly. I saw no reason to think Taylor did enough to take the belts away from Hopkins the first time around...and he did a terrible job defending them the second time. You also can't act like I'm in the minority....when virtually everyone ringside scored the fight for Hopkins the first time...and ring magazine scores were overwhelmingly in favor of Hopkins as well.

Not that I care about ring magazine but you guys seem to.



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[DiegoFuego]

Legitimately can be intertwined with decisevly. I saw no reason to think Taylor did enough to take the belts away from Hopkins the first time around...and he did a terrible job defending them the second time. You also can't act like I'm in the minority....when virtually everyone ringside scored the fight for Hopkins the first time...and ring magazine scores were overwhelmingly in favor of Hopkins as well.

so you're among those "take the belt" fans? so you must feel Forrest lost the 2nd fight against Mayorga, right? I seem to remember you saying Forrest was robbed

there is no such thing as taking the title. if you win 7 rounds out of 12, you are the champion. learn the rules and we'll continue the discussion.

[DiegoFuego]

Let me add that The Ring lost all credibility when they named Vitali THE linear HW champion after Lewis retired, had Hopkins winning both fights with Taylor, AND held a grudge by keeping Taylor out of the p4p rankings. The Ring is full of ****.

[Run]

Let me add that The Ring lost all credibility when they named Vitali THE linear HW champion after Lewis retired.

We can agree on something. That was total bull****.



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[Larry Merchant]

I went up to the Steve A. Smith show man I met Hopkins before his fights with joppy and saw him at the Steven A. Smith show ..he def shot man..he was walking with a limp and is def punch drunk...he used to make sense when he spoke but at the show he was just sad to listen to him speak i think the eastman and JT fights took a lot out of him.I am from philly and I love B-hops..but Traver is gunna eat him up if he dosent run from him like he did to eastman.

[DiegoFuego]

We can agree on something. That was total bull****.

No joke. Vitali was definitely the best and would be the best right now if he was still fighting, but to name him the recognized linear champion is bogus. It was just an attempt to get Lewis to come back and reclaim that recognition. I don't mind people calling Vitali the people's champion or anything, but when a respected organization like The Ring names Vitali the champion...**** off

[Larry Merchant]

The Ring is not prefect but it is best rating system so far.they should have had two fighter of the years for 2005 Hatton and Taylor.