Comments Thread For: Garcia Answers Adrien Broner: Let's Do it Next in Philly!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Won't happen

But if it did, swift would beat the hell out of broner.. Broner got no chance, especially past 140..

[lebrick]

need a poll on this.. it seems broner has a lot of hater than swift..

[MJ406]

Broner all talk, not worth fighting

I think it's a great match for both fighters.
I'm not implying Broner would win. I could see both fighters getting the win depending on how the fight played out. As you say Garcia isn't ready for 147...he was at 143 last fight, 145/6 next fight then 147 lb.

Broner didn't duck Khan. If anything I feel Khan ducked out of the challenge looking for all the advantages. He knows Broner is small at 147. Even at 145-146 Khan would have been the favourite.

Khan himself is preparing for Ramadam, I can't see him maintaining his weight on a fast. He'll lose weight over Ramadam, The fight was offered at 145/146 catchweight & Khan turned it down because he wanted it at 147lb. He laughed off Broner's catchweight request then said he'd fight Cotto at a catchweight.

Garcia claimed the weight impacted his performace vs Peterson, I doubt he'd go any lower next time out. And wouldn't someone like Guerrero/Collazo make more sense for Garcia? Especially if Garcia is gonna campaign @ Welter, he's gonna need to start fighting some guys at the weight.

What I'd like you to answer for me is how would another catchweight bout at 143-145 vs a small Welter in Broner really benefit Garcia if the long term plan for Danny is to go to Welter full time? Plus I don't think Broner really brings anything to the table for Garcia especially with his opposition being so poor

fighting Peterson (even at 143) at least made sense for Garcia because Peterson was a titlist and had some big wins (most notably over Amir Khan)

compare that to Broner ... who's beaten no one of note at 140.

I'm not gonna accuse Broner of ducking Khan, but Broner was all over social media for weeks calling for a fight with Khan and specifically hashtagged 147, and when push came to shove, Broner asked for the fight at a catchweight .. which he knew Khan wouldn't accept

I don't think Broner had serious intentions of fighting Khan he was just using Khan's name to take attention off that dominant but lackluster performance vs John Molina

If you're Khan, why would you take Broner seriously? Of course Khan laughed off Broner's catchweight offer .. it's a joke.

it's bad enough that Broner is editing all these fight pictures of him knocking Khan down but when actually pressed to make the fight [B]Broner doesn't even want it at the full limit.

step up or shut the **** up. Broner is the one who called out Khan in the first place, then asks for the catchweight see below which was taken from Adrien Broner's Twitter on March 28th

- Facetimed @AmirKingKhan yesterday hopefully we get this fight on for #June6th #147 #anybodycangetit #AboutBillions

as for Cotto-Khan

Khan vs Cotto .. Khan would have had to go up to 155 for a shot at the WBC Middleweight title vs a future Hall of Famer in what likely would have been a PPV fight held at Madison Square Garden .. very big opportunity, you can't deny that

if these were Khan's only 2 options what do you think makes more sense for Khan?

A. The Cotto fight at 155

B. a Broner fight at 144-145

So using that same logic - If Khan didn't want to go below the Welterweight max for a Broner fight, what does Danny Garcia gain from a Broner fight?

Garcia is better off fighting a mid level Welterweight, to better prepare himself for Welter

and Broner can stick to the nobodies, because his team is still afraid to match him tough, and aside from being a loudmouth he doesn't really bring anything to the table

**Don't you think Haymon is eying those WBC/WBA title belts of Garcia and thinking "I can move Garcia up to 147, and have Broner eventually fight for either of those vacant titles"

^ wouldn't that make a lot more sense? Why match up Garcia-Broner when it's a meaningless fight?

[Build That Wall]

need a poll on this.. it seems broner has a lot of hater than swift..

There is a poll, I made an official fight thread if the fight were to happen.

[ukbox]

Garcia claimed the weight impacted his performace vs Peterson, I doubt he'd go any lower next time out. And wouldn't someone like Guerrero/Collazo make more sense for Garcia? Especially if Garcia is gonna campaign @ Welter, he's gonna need to start fighting some guys at the weight.

What I'd like you to answer for me is how would another catchweight bout at 143-145 vs a small Welter in Broner really benefit Garcia if the long term plan for Danny is to go to Welter full time? Plus I don't think Broner really brings anything to the table for Garcia especially with his opposition being so poor

fighting Peterson (even at 143) at least made sense for Garcia because Peterson was a titlist and had some big wins (most notably over Amir Khan)

compare that to Broner ... who's beaten no one of note at 140.

I'm not gonna accuse Broner of ducking Khan, but Broner was all over social media for weeks calling for a fight with Khan and specifically hashtagged 147, and when push came to shove, Broner asked for the fight at a catchweight .. which he knew Khan wouldn't accept

I don't think Broner had serious intentions of fighting Khan he was just using Khan's name to take attention off that dominant but lackluster performance vs John Molina

If you're Khan, why would you take Broner seriously? Of course Khan laughed off Broner's catchweight offer .. it's a joke.

it's bad enough that Broner is editing all these fight pictures of him knocking Khan down but when actually pressed to make the fight [B]Broner doesn't even want it at the full limit.

step up or shut the **** up. Broner is the one who called out Khan in the first place, then asks for the catchweight see below which was taken from Adrien Broner's Twitter on March 28th

- Facetimed @AmirKingKhan yesterday hopefully we get this fight on for #June6th #147 #anybodycangetit #AboutBillions

as for Cotto-Khan

Khan vs Cotto .. Khan would have had to go up to 155 for a shot at the WBC Middleweight title vs a future Hall of Famer in what likely would have been a PPV fight held at Madison Square Garden .. very big opportunity, you can't deny that

if these were Khan's only 2 options what do you think makes more sense for Khan?

A. The Cotto fight at 155

B. a Broner fight at 144-145

So using that same logic - If Khan didn't want to go below the Welterweight max for a Broner fight, what does Danny Garcia gain from a Broner fight?

Garcia is better off fighting a mid level Welterweight, to better prepare himself for Welter

and Broner can stick to the nobodies, because his team is still afraid to match him tough, and aside from being a loudmouth he doesn't really bring anything to the table

**Don't you think Haymon is eying those WBC/WBA title belts of Garcia and thinking "I can move Garcia up to 147, and have Broner eventually fight for either of those vacant titles"

^ wouldn't that make a lot more sense? Why match up Garcia-Broner when it's a meaningless fight?

You make a good argument with some sound points.

I think Team DSG are already reconsidering that move to 147.
Pre Peterson they were at 147 without a doubt, now the will hang about if it's what the fans want.

Broner Garcia @ 140 is an even better match.

I felt another catchweight fight with another 2lbs gave Garcia time to fill out. We saw the other night that he will struggle, against Peterson he looked the smaller guy.

Peterson's frame allows him to carry the weight better. If Peterson had the weight advantage over Garcia at 143, the top guys & even the established gatekeepers will have a size advantage over him.

Look at it like Abraham, he will always be small for 168 but he looks a lot more solid now than he did in his first fights at the weight.

DSG shouldn't be in a rush to jump to 147, once there it's hard to drop down again without losing face...look at the reaction to Broner.

Broner's building back up, he took a beating from a bigger guy for 12 rounds, that wasn't meant to happen. They are gradually introducing him to punchers & I'd hope the plan is to get him more mobile & away from the shoulder roll.
It would be different if they were putting him in with light hitters. Molina wasn't close to elite but he was known to have some pop.

Khan's catchweight was cheeky, he wanted to fight for the 160 title with a limit off 155lb. 154lb is a weight division itself, Khan isn't the champ, he isn't the star that Cotto is.
Khan wanted the fight 5lbs short of the limit. Broner asked for a CW 1-2lbs short of the limit, Broner's known to be small at the weight.
The Cotto fight is obviously the bigger fight but that's because of Cotto. Khan can mention these elite guys names but unless he's willing to concede to their demands he's just blowing air.
He has to accept that he is the B side when it comes to the elite, he doesn't & always harps on about what he brings.

Broner talks trash but I feel that's mostly an act, he will step up when push comes to shove.

Just have to see how it plays out..

[MJ406]

Thanks, I try to keep it factual and stick more to facts oppose to hypotheticals/opinion

anyway:

I definitely think that was the mindset of Garcia and his team going in – an impressive showing vs Peterson and moving up to Welterweight makes sense.

but with the tough fight vs Peterson, a full move to 147 could be the end of Garcia – as he didn’t look great at 143 vs Peterson, who is not only bigger, but taller with a longer reach to boot. I don’t think Garcia is in ANY rush to fight at 147, and in an article even suggested he’d be up to defend his titles at 140lb again, perhaps against Postol, who is the WBC mandatory

remind me again why is Broner-Garcia such a good fight? Minus Salka, Garcia has consistently fought top level opponents at or around Junior Welterweight .. with Broner it’s the exact opposite

I get why Garcia is a great fight for Broner – especially at 140lbs, but why is it for Garcia? Very little to gain from his end, and it’s not like beating Broner proves much, since Broner has yet to be in with anyone live at Jr Welter

the only positive I see out of Garcia-Broner is it’s a Haymon fighter versus another Haymon fighter and unless a draw, Haymon wins. But keep in mind Haymon also loses, and why risk hurting the long term stock of one of his better assets (Broner/Garcia) if he doesn’t have to?

Unless Garcia has absolutely no other options, and is really up for the Broner fight, wouldn’t it make more sense for Haymon to put both Garcia & Broner on the same card, but in separate bouts?

That way, even if Garcia were to lose, Haymon can at least try and match Broner with Postol (who in the above scenario would be challenging Garcia) I’m sure Haymon has big plans for Garcia, and I’d think he could do better than match the #1 Junior Welterweight in the world against someone who has yet to fight anyone in the top 10

^ when you look at it like that, Broner-Garcia doesn’t look like such a good fight.

I get that Broner is being built back up, but that loss to Maidana was in 2013 for pete’s sake, and by the time Broner steps back into the ring on June 20th it’ll be around year and a half and his 4th fight since that loss. How long before Broner steps up? Molina might have been a big puncher, but I think we both know that he was only matched up with Broner because Molina had 2 losses coming in

now for Khan -
You are aware that it was Cotto who asked for the catchweight when he challenged Martinez at MW and again it’s Cotto who’s fighting at 157 vs Daniel Geale so I don’t think it was Khan who wanted it at 155, he was just recognizing that in order to fight Cotto, Khan would have to give up something, and he seemed okay with having to fight at 155. To me that’s not a big deal

As for Khan vs potential elites like Mayweather-Pacquiao and so forth, right now Khan’s career is just a mess, he’s fighting Chris Algieri at the end of May. It’s vs a junior Welterweight who was dominated by Pacquiao. If Khan wants to be taken seriously, he needs to step up his caliber of opponent

I’m not even close to being a Khan fan and I feel bad for him, SMH

Meh remains to be seen if Broner will step up, as when pressed for the Khan fight, the best he could do was suggest a catchweight

yeah I guess we will see, but don’t forget Broner’s advisor Al Haymon is a very powerful man in boxing, if Broner REALLY wanted these fights – be it Khan, Garcia one would figure it shouldn’t be THAT hard to make

All that said I’m giving Broner-Garcia about a 30% chance of happening, I mean hey they’re both Haymon guys BUT I think it’s a lot more likely that Broner continues on his path of talking big and fighting no names because that’s the only way he’ll stay relevant

[ukbox]

Thanks, I try to keep it factual and stick more to facts oppose to hypotheticals/opinion

anyway:

I definitely think that was the mindset of Garcia and his team going in – an impressive showing vs Peterson and moving up to Welterweight makes sense.

but with the tough fight vs Peterson, a full move to 147 could be the end of Garcia – as he didn’t look great at 143 vs Peterson, who is not only bigger, but taller with a longer reach to boot. I don’t think Garcia is in ANY rush to fight at 147, and in an article even suggested he’d be up to defend his titles at 140lb again, perhaps against Postol, who is the WBC mandatory

remind me again why is Broner-Garcia such a good fight? Minus Salka, Garcia has consistently fought top level opponents at or around Junior Welterweight .. with Broner it’s the exact opposite

I get why Garcia is a great fight for Broner – especially at 140lbs, but why is it for Garcia? Very little to gain from his end, and it’s not like beating Broner proves much, since Broner has yet to be in with anyone live at Jr Welter

the only positive I see out of Garcia-Broner is it’s a Haymon fighter versus another Haymon fighter and unless a draw, Haymon wins. But keep in mind Haymon also loses, and why risk hurting the long term stock of one of his better assets (Broner/Garcia) if he doesn’t have to?

Unless Garcia has absolutely no other options, and is really up for the Broner fight, wouldn’t it make more sense for Haymon to put both Garcia & Broner on the same card, but in separate bouts?

That way, even if Garcia were to lose, Haymon can at least try and match Broner with Postol (who in the above scenario would be challenging Garcia) I’m sure Haymon has big plans for Garcia, and I’d think he could do better than match the #1 Junior Welterweight in the world against someone who has yet to fight anyone in the top 10

^ when you look at it like that, Broner-Garcia doesn’t look like such a good fight.

I get that Broner is being built back up, but that loss to Maidana was in 2013 for pete’s sake, and by the time Broner steps back into the ring on June 20th it’ll be around year and a half and his 4th fight since that loss. How long before Broner steps up? Molina might have been a big puncher, but I think we both know that he was only matched up with Broner because Molina had 2 losses coming in

now for Khan -
You are aware that it was Cotto who asked for the catchweight when he challenged Martinez at MW and again it’s Cotto who’s fighting at 157 vs Daniel Geale so I don’t think it was Khan who wanted it at 155, he was just recognizing that in order to fight Cotto, Khan would have to give up something, and he seemed okay with having to fight at 155. To me that’s not a big deal

As for Khan vs potential elites like Mayweather-Pacquiao and so forth, right now Khan’s career is just a mess, he’s fighting Chris Algieri at the end of May. It’s vs a junior Welterweight who was dominated by Pacquiao. If Khan wants to be taken seriously, he needs to step up his caliber of opponent

I’m not even close to being a Khan fan and I feel bad for him, SMH

Meh remains to be seen if Broner will step up, as when pressed for the Khan fight, the best he could do was suggest a catchweight

yeah I guess we will see, but don’t forget Broner’s advisor Al Haymon is a very powerful man in boxing, if Broner REALLY wanted these fights – be it Khan, Garcia one would figure it shouldn’t be THAT hard to make

All that said I’m giving Broner-Garcia about a 30% chance of happening, I mean hey they’re both Haymon guys BUT I think it’s a lot more likely that Broner continues on his path of talking big and fighting no names because that’s the only way he’ll stay relevant

We both agree 147 is off the table for the immediate future with Garcia.

I see Haymon & promoters viewing their fighters as assets. It's like a commodity that they have invested in. They are trying to increase the value of their asset to increae their return.

I'm no financial expert, far from it, but I'd presume that having a control over the market & thus being able to increase the value of your asset(through matchmaking, media, performance) is pretty enticing for investors, who's key goal is a return on their money & getting rich. Other stocks & investments don't allow that market manipulation, it's been made illegal.

The reason I see the Garcia Broner fight making sense for Haymon;
Both fighter have looked vulnerable, their profile will demand risky fights & he has both signed.
If Broner or Garcia lose facing each other, Haymon wins.
If Garcia hangs about fighting non Haymon fighters & loses, then Haymon loses.
The asset has lost value & Haymon has no stake in the other fighter.

If Garcia loses to Broner, Haymon still wins.
His fighter that lost his 0 & some credibility has now regained his mojo by beating the #1 stud.
Haymon loses on 1 asset but gains big on the other. It's better in that scenario than either losing to a fighter Haymon has no rights over.

140lb is perfect.
Fans don't want catchweights. We know DSG can be dangerous & dominant at the weight & we want to see how Broner will do in the division. It was a case of 147 being a bridge too far. I believe he could beat Maidana, I don't think he'd be dominant at 147, maybe gate keeper status.
140 could be really interesting with Garcia, Broner, Crawford, Matthysse, Provodnikov & others coming up.

With Khan I think it's been a case of; "There's the fight at 157 for 160lb title". Khan's then sat there, put his pinky to the side of his lip & requested 155 lb.
Cotto probably lol at Khan, dropped a pink rose on the floor & vanished. Like a boxing Scarlet Pimpernel he was off to fight Geale.
Khan would have sat there for 30 minutes, picking petals off the rose.... "He fights me.. He's scared"
Instead of a chance at the 160 lb title & an elite name on his resume, all Khan has is some elite pot puri.

[MJ406]

hand picking opponents

I see Promoters using boxers in the same manner and with few exceptions Elite/World Class boxers are not in the ring very frequently, so when they are the promoters need to maximize that ... which can be done in 2 ways

1. Go for as high profile fights as possible, even in house, self explanatory for a while Pacquiao exclusively fought Top Rank guys (David Diaz, Clottey, Margarito, Tim Bradley 2x) and lets be honest it wasn't always about "making the best fights" the bolded fighters had an inside track in sharing promoters with Pacquiao, which made these fights easier to make.

OR

2. Match your guys up with tailor made opponents (which in boxing unfortunately we see a lot of) .. that's a pretty safe way to control the market

"Both fighter have looked vulnerable, their profile will demand risky fights"

^ the above is certainly true, but not neccessarily the bold part, as look at Broner, he fought Maidana which was pretty risky, and since then what has his resume been? nothing but for the most part overmatched blown up lightweights, shucks Rances Barthelemy a recent former Super Feather is in talks for Broner's next opponent. That's a pretty risky fight in the sense that Barthelemy doesn't have a name, but it's a guy from a lower weight class, who just 2 fights back was fighting at Super Featherweight and even held the IBF 130lb belt

as for Broner-Garcia, I'll throw the other side

the fight certainly make sense for Haymon - what about Garcia? I'm no financial expert either, but if you ask me the worst risks are unneccessary ones and at this point, with his 140 resume lacking, you could argue that unless Garcia has no other options, to fight Broner, would be a waste of time

that's another reason why I think Broner-Garcia is a **** fight, the stakes aren't anywhere near equal
Broner beating Garcia at 140 would be career defining ... you can't say anywhere near the same if Garcia were to beat Broner

and lets say - push comes to shove and Garcia rules out 140, citing the weight troubles, that would mean he likely vacates his titles and likely picks from - Berto/Maidana/Guerrero/Collazo at 145 or higher. Any of those are pretty good options

Broner-Garcia only makes sense at 140lbs

With Crawford entering the division, and fighting this Saturday (along with Matthysse-Provodnikov) Jr Welterweight certainly is picking up - however I'd hold off on mentioning Garcia/Broner

since Garcia might be leaving the divison BUT - we really dunno, to me that's a really interesting situation, as he'll most likely fight again in 2015 (DUH) just at what weight? To be continued

and Broner can't be mentioned until he fights someone relevant at 140, however if Garcia decides to move up it's not all lost for Broner ... right now he's #3 in the WBC, and with WBC #2 Matthysse fighting Provodnikov, I'd figure Postol and Broner could fight for that vacant belt

As for Khan-Cotto, I haven't heard a single bit from Cotto's side so it's hard to say if Cotto wanted Khan at 157 if at all. I don't think Khan wanting the fight at 155 made it not happen, chances are, with that Canelo fight on the horizon, Cotto fighting what would be a blown up Welterweight who's a good mover with hand speed, presents a lot of risk with very little reward

or what I like to call Match making 101, why take a risk if you don't have to?

unless both guys come to him for the fight, what makes you think Haymon really wants Broner and Garcia to fight? Boxing is a business and long term it's about having commodities to market, so looking at it like that, ruling out the underlined, which would be the exception

Haymon no doubt gets more **** for his buck long term by matching Garcia and Broner with favorable opposition instead of each other

My Bottom Line - You match up 2 of your commidities, one loses their stock drops while the others raises, but guess what you're down to 1 commodity instead of the 2 you previously had.