Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather: Pacquiao Throwing Alot Won't Work

[Biolink]

His fight against Zab was hailed as one of the best fight of his career as he slowly but surely destroyed Zab's confidence, yet somehow according to you, it's not considered part of his prime years.

Flo-mos need to stop semen shielding the guys legacy tbh. His spot in the ATG list is already secured, SMH.

Yeah and so was Canelo. Doesn't have anything to do with his physical abilities such as power and speed at 147 not being what it used to be which is what the subject was about.

Even in that very fight Zab started off looking faster and sharper until Mayweather pounded his body and outskilled him the rest of the way.

[GOD-FR33]

Nope. How could he be in his prime and his power hasn't carried at 147? And his speed is clearly slower than it used to be even going into that De La Hoya fight? He didn't used to have to move around so much and avoid head on exchanges, but with the extra weight now no one gives a shyt about his power like that. It used to be he could put you out. He couldn't even KO or hurt Baldomir.

Just because he's lightyears more skilled than just about everybody doesn't mean he's been at his most favorable position career wise when he chooses to fight.

What are you talking about? What power? Floyd lost his pop as soon as his welterweight run started. That has nothing to do with being in his prime. HIs fights against Mitchell, Oscar, Hatton, Judah, Mosley, Ortiz, were all PRIME fights. Against Cotto, The Ghost, Canelo, and Maidana twice, were all post prime performances.

[pacific2]

"a lot of guys going down in the Hall of Fame"
Gatti,De La Hoya, who else?

[Brassangel]

Yata ,,,,,Yata,,yata. Same old broken record.

Jr is full of old S*** !!!!!!

Try to name ONE,,,,JUST ONE,,,,NOT MANY NOT TWO,,,,,just one

one prime elite at the top of his game without troubles in the past 15 years.

This prime elite will define Jr.

so far the fights jr has fought has DEFINED HIM !!

He has so far been defined as a DUCKER of PRIME ELITES

He has been defined as one who has skills but is afraid to put it on the line.

He has been defined as the one who looks for hinderances :

OLD , SMALL,, wee little bitty, washed up, TROUBLES,,GREEN

name just one legit prime elite without troubles at the top of his game and I will get off of this site forever.

First of all, no fighter is "without troubles," because no fighter is perfect.
Second, Floyd has fought some top tier guys who are far younger than him.
Third, Manny is nowhere CLOSE to where he was in his prime, so where is your argument giving him a better chance?

I believe Manny can win, but his chances are much slimmer than they were 6 years ago.

Floyd stands in a way that creates an awkward amount of space between two fighters, and thus slows down volume punching. If and when a fighter does get a chance to line up shots, they catch shoulders, elbows and air. (As a side note: Floyd's elbow is one of the dirtiest tactics in history, as he purposefully aims it directly at an opponent's eyebrow.) He can then respond with 1 or 2 clean, pot-shot style counter punches that pack more power than people give him credit for.

He is surprisingly effective in the corner, and will attempt to time uppercuts against Manny coming in; not to mention the straight right to the midsection from a distance. It will slow Manny's charges considerably.

This process, over several rounds, is discouraging and embarrassing. His opponents are then content to just avoid getting hit and accept their paycheck.

Pacquiao has a good chance, if he doesn't just recklessly bounce in and out like he does against most opponents. Manny can try to get off first, back out when Floyd tries to counter, but stay close enough to fire again immediately after. He will effectively win 2 out of 3 exchanges this way, in bursts, and really impress the judges. If he can mark Floyd up (as Cotto did), but early in the fight, he may get ahead on the cards and force Floyd to fight with a sense of urgency. An aggressive Mayweather, at age 38, may make a few mistakes.

Manny won't knock him out. In 2009 he absolutely could have. Right now, it won't happen. Floyd has a fantastic chin, an even better recovery rate, and Pacquiao doesn't have the same pop he did a few years ago.

Floyd won't knock Manny out. Manny will be smart about his movement so as to avoid walking into a perfect punch. Floyd also doesn't put enough pressure on a guy, or accumulate the damage quickly enough to KO him through attrition.

Floyd wins a relatively boring decision, 116-112.

[GOD-FR33]

First of all, no fighter is "without troubles," because no fighter is perfect.
Second, Floyd has fought some top tier guys who are far younger than him.
Third, Manny is nowhere CLOSE to where he was in his prime, so where is your argument giving him a better chance?

I believe Manny can win, but his chances are much slimmer than they were 6 years ago.

Floyd stands in a way that creates an awkward amount of space between two fighters, and thus slows down volume punching. If and when a fighter does get a chance to line up shots, they catch shoulders, elbows and air. (As a side note: Floyd's elbow is one of the dirtiest tactics in history, as he purposefully aims it directly at an opponent's eyebrow.) He can then respond with 1 or 2 clean, pot-shot style counter punches that pack more power than people give him credit for.

He is surprisingly effective in the corner, and will attempt to time uppercuts against Manny coming in; not to mention the straight right to the midsection from a distance. It will slow Manny's charges considerably.

This process, over several rounds, is discouraging and embarrassing. His opponents are then content to just avoid getting hit and accept their paycheck.

Pacquiao has a good chance, if he doesn't just recklessly bounce in and out like he does against most opponents. Manny can try to get off first, back out when Floyd tries to counter, but stay close enough to fire again immediately after. He will effectively win 2 out of 3 exchanges this way, in bursts, and really impress the judges. If he can mark Floyd up (as Cotto did), but early in the fight, he may get ahead on the cards and force Floyd to fight with a sense of urgency. An aggressive Mayweather, at age 38, may make a few mistakes.

Manny won't knock him out. In 2009 he absolutely could have. Right now, it won't happen. Floyd has a fantastic chin, an even better recovery rate, and Pacquiao doesn't have the same pop he did a few years ago.

Floyd won't knock Manny out. Manny will be smart about his movement so as to avoid walking into a perfect punch. Floyd also doesn't put enough pressure on a guy, or accumulate the damage quickly enough to KO him through attrition.

Floyd wins a relatively boring decision, 116-112.

Great post. I respect it. I am a Manny fan though but very respectable post. Manny by CLEAR decision.

[KoolAidMan]

Yeah and so was Canelo. Doesn't have anything to do with his physical abilities such as power and speed at 147 not being what it used to be which is what the subject was about.

Even in that very fight Zab started off looking faster and sharper until Mayweather pounded his body and outskilled him the rest of the way.

Canelo is overrated. He had great power but he didn't had a game plan thats why Mayweather looked better than his age suggest.


You like moving goalposts. It seems like that's your M.O. I initially brought up the Zab Judah fight to show a clear contrast of Mayweather's prime years as opposed to his tender age of 38 now, but somehow you found a way to spin it and argue Mayweather isn't in his prime 9 years ago.

[RespekonMyName]

"a lot of guys going down in the Hall of Fame"
Gatti,De La Hoya, who else?

Mosley, Hernandez is in already, Hatton, Castillo, Marquez, Cotto maybe?, Chico may sneak in.

[GOD-FR33]

Canelo is overrated. He had great power but he didn't had a game plan thats why Mayweather looked better than his age suggest.


You like moving goalposts. It seems like that's your M.O. I initially brought up the Zab Judah fight to show a clear contrast of Mayweather's prime years as opposed to his tender age of 38 now, but somehow you found a way to spin it and argue Mayweather isn't in his prime 9 years ago.

To add to what you said about the Canelo fight. Why do you think Floyd risked his contract that early, in a fight against Canelo? Because he knew that Canelo couldn't effectively make 152lbs without damage. Canelo is a very muscular guy and didn't have two pounds of fat to lose in the first place. To me, it makes Floyd a bully and a coward. The kid just wants to fight the best, even if it meant risking his health. Floyd took advantage of the situation. In the fight, Canelo didn't embarrass himself, but he couldn't take advantage of Floyd's aging style. Why? Because he didn't want to gas. That's why he boxed instead of attack. Canelo is very smart fighter. He knew how to beat Floyd, he was too drained to execute it. In his very next fight, he was fast, threw a lot of punches, counter punched effectively, and his conditioning went to another level. Now, why do you think that was? Because he wasn't DRAINED! If they fight right now, without a catch weight, Floyd doesn't go 12. Canelo would KO him.

[twosweethooks]

[QUOTE=Brassangel;15557691]First of all, no fighter is "without troubles," because no fighter is perfect.
Second, Floyd has fought some top tier guys who are far younger than him.
Third, Manny is nowhere CLOSE to where he was in his prime, so where is your argument giving him a better chance?


Naw , missed it .

Jr has groomed himself fighting people with troubles, he has ducked the top prime elites when they were at their best.

Jr has sought out those with troubles like Corralles sp. Cried when he beat GATTI who never had a chance.

Jr has built his record on b and c competition whether it be Champions that were small, wee little, OLD , or washed up but ducked prime guys of the day.

He is coming into the fight of his life after spending his life fighting the hindered, but now after ducking PAC with every excuse under heaven, he is facing the Deadliest fighter in the WW division today.

Jr's only HOPE is to have MEMO in his POCKET. At 38 he can't be better than his last two fights without MEMO ! We will see. Jr was shot at the end of the 2nd Maidana fight.

The INTANGIBLES from the training camp of PAC will win this fight. I don't believe you will be able to use much of the past.

[DeadLikeMe]

[QUOTE=twosweethooks;15557754]

First of all, no fighter is "without troubles," because no fighter is perfect.
Second, Floyd has fought some top tier guys who are far younger than him.
Third, Manny is nowhere CLOSE to where he was in his prime, so where is your argument giving him a better chance?


Naw , missed it .

Jr has groomed himself fighting people with troubles, he has ducked the top prime elites when they were at their best.

Jr has sought out those with troubles like Corralles sp. Cried when he beat GATTI who never had a chance.

Jr has built his record on b and c competition whether it be Champions that were small, wee little, OLD , or washed up but ducked prime guys of the day.

He is coming into the fight of his life after spending his life fighting the hindered, but now after ducking PAC with every excuse under heaven, he is facing the Deadliest fighter in the WW division today.

Jr's only HOPE is to have MEMO in his POCKET. At 38 he can't be better than his last two fights without MEMO ! We will see. Jr was shot at the end of the 2nd Maidana fight.

The INTANGIBLES from the training camp of PAC will win this fight. I don't believe you will be able to use much of the past.

The intangibles like cutting running that they'd planned, cutting additional sparring out of camp (when they'd already planned for about 1/3 less than is standard at Wild Card), and Pac having to stop mid-workout to rub his cramping legs? Those intangibles?