Pacquiao's Greatest Fights: Path of an All-Time Great Fighter

[Left Hook Tua]

Thank you for the context of the prior post. Was waiting for you to respond.

Yea bringing up fight night weight at 130 is irrelevant. He didn't have to cut weight in the higher divisions so why are we pretending he was the same guy? That has to have an affect on you. What was alarming is that he made this leap in a matter of months and was still a high volume hitter whose punches had the same effect on opponents. And his stamina was just as strong. Su****ious of course when you look at other fighters who did the same.

see. still confused.

pac was the same weight. he just didn't cut water weight.

other guys that jump up put on weight and still cut.

pac didn't put on weight and just didn't cut.

understand?

you should write it down, make a graph or something.

[IMDAZED]

see. still confused.

pac was the same weight. he just didn't cut water weight.

other guys that jump up put on weight and still cut.

pac didn't put on weight and just didn't cut.

understand?

you should write it down, make a graph or something.

Thank you.

[Left Hook Tua]

Thank you for the context of the prior post. Was waiting for you to respond.

Yea bringing up fight night weight at 130 is irrelevant. He didn't have to cut weight in the higher divisions so why are we pretending he was the same guy? That has to have an affect on you. What was alarming is that he made this leap in a matter of months and was still a high volume hitter whose punches had the same effect on opponents. And his stamina was just as strong. Su****ious of course when you look at other fighters who did the same.

btw he didn't have the same effect.

pac was icing fools at 112-130.

he had one punch ko power at the lower weights.

he didn't at 147.

cotto beat down tko, oscar quit, marg, clottey, mosley went distance.

biggest tell is jmm fights. 4 kds, out on his feet several times 126-130.

1 kd at 147.

[Left Hook Tua]

Thank you.

are you ****** or trying to play it off?

i'm seriously curious.

[IMDAZED]

are you ****** or trying to play it off?

i'm seriously curious.

Keep going with the "it's the same but different" argument. Then asking others if they're ******. Let's just say, I already know the answer to that question when it comes to you.

I've already responded to the original poster. If you can't comprehend at this point, I won't spell it out for you. And you can claim internet victory because I won't. Lord knows, that's what you're looking for or this convo could've ended pages ago.

[Left Hook Tua]

lets all help imdazed figure this out.

i'll try again.

the AVG LW is about 145-150 cuts water to 135. adds water back to 145-150 after weigh in.

PAC LW was 145-150 cuts water to 135. adds water back to 145-150.

AVG LW moves up to WW. puts on 10-15 lbs. weigh 155-160 cuts weight to 147.

PAC WW stayed 145-150 just didn't cut weight to make 147.

hence LW PAC was similar to WW PAC.

hence IMDAZED dumb theory of losing speed moving up to WWdoesn't apply.

[Tom Cruise]

It is su****ious, like it or not. Doesn't take away from his accomplishments. He tested clean and that's that. So when evaluating his career, I look at it as if he was a clean fighter and won't knock him down a few pegs. But it absolutely was su****ious, particularly how he bludgeoned Cotto. But that's my opinion.

You could use that rational against any of the top guys though. Its su****ious that Floyd looked exactly the same after a two year lay off. It's su****ious that Hopkins is sfill at top level when he is nealry 50. Its su****ious that Wlad still has the speed and movement he had 10 years ago.

These guys are great fighters doing great things. Fighters in the past have had similar achievements before sports science/PEDs was even a thing.

But it suits your agenda for Pac to be su****ious because you want to downplay his achievements. Simples.

[IMDAZED]

You could use that rational against any of the top guys though. Its su****ious that Floyd looked exactly the same after a two year lay off. It's su****ious that Hopkins is sfill at top level when he is nealry 50. Its su****ious that Wlad still has the speed and movement he had 10 years ago.

These guys are great fighters doing great things. Fighters in the past have had similar achievements before sports science/PEDs was even a thing.

But it suits your agenda for Pac to be su****ious because you want to downplay his achievements. Simples.

Of course you can use that rationale against other guys. Ok and?

[Left Hook Tua]

Keep going with the "it's the same but different" argument. Then asking others if they're ******. Let's just say, I already know the answer to that question when it comes to you.

I've already responded to the original poster. If you can't comprehend at this point, I won't spell it out for you. And you can claim internet victory because I won't. Lord knows, that's what you're looking for or this convo could've ended pages ago.

this fool still doesn't understand.

after explaining to him years ago to now.

maybe if i put it in floyd terms he'll get it.

floyd is a 150 guy who doesn't cut weight to make 147.

he never bulked up much when moving up.

floyd was able to keep his speed as well.

[Tom Cruise]

Of course you can use that rationale against other guys. Ok and?

And as far as i know you dont use that rationale for other guys. But you do use it for Pac.

Su****ious dont you think?