Comments Thread For: Roach Taking Steps To Ensure Pacquiao Won't Overtrain

[megas30]

evol is correct, Manny has not had a KO since 2009 when Floyd SR. mentioned PED use. That doesn't mean nor am I suggesting he stopped using PED's or was dirty-even though walking away from the fight and the wanting to know exactly when the test were was very su****ious.

He fell out with Ariza since he renewed his devotion to his faith. He didn't want to be caught up the ped usage. This is my two-cents. I remember Ariza was complaining that Manny didn't want to listen to him and didn't want to do things that got him where he was. Then Freddie came and confirmed that he had his su****ion over the shakes Ariza was giving him, so I am not saying this is 100%, but it is definitely something going on.

[Bolopunch68]

GODFR33 has me on ignore so can someone kindly ask how come he couldn't KO JMM and MAB then when he moved up started getting KO/stoppages?

Wait! Manny didn't stopped MAB? He didn't KD Marquez 4 times? Tell me how many fighters Manny stopped before he moved up and how many fighters he stopped after moving up?

[Bolopunch68]

He fell out with Ariza since he renewed his devotion to his faith. He didn't want to be caught up the ped usage. This is my two-cents. I remember Ariza was complaining that Manny didn't want to listen to him and didn't want to do things that got him where he was. Then Freddie came and confirmed that he had his su****ion over the shakes Ariza was giving him, so I am not saying this is 100%, but it is definitely something going on.

Could it be that Manny was getting tired of what Ariza wanted him to do? That during those time Manny was always out partying, ********, and what not? What I'm trying to say is, when someone have reach that pinnacle of success like Manny has, it's kinda getting into his head. That's why he became hard headed and doesn't wanna do those regimen he used to do.

There are words that prior to Marquez 4th fight, Manny didn't train harder than before while Marquez was training like a maniac. We know the result on that one.

About what Freddie said regarding the "shakes" Ariza was giving Manny, we can take that with a grain of salt. He didn't like the guy, he despise that guy. But he can't do nothing cause Manny hired him. Once Manny gave him the nod, he fired his nosy butt. His hate towards Ariza elevated when Ariza kicked him in the chest, he might said it didn't hurt, but his pride did. Plus didn't, Ariza filed a defamation lawsuit against Freddie for saying those words?

[The Big Dunn]

Wait! Manny didn't stopped MAB? He didn't KD Marquez 4 times? Tell me how many fighters Manny stopped before he moved up and how many fighters he stopped after moving up?

I was asking about Manny UD over MAB Oct 07, SD over JMM March 08 then moved up and had 4 straight tko/ko-diaz, ODH, hatton, cotto.

[The Big Dunn]

He fell out with Ariza since he renewed his devotion to his faith. He didn't want to be caught up the ped usage. This is my two-cents. I remember Ariza was complaining that Manny didn't want to listen to him and didn't want to do things that got him where he was. Then Freddie came and confirmed that he had his su****ion over the shakes Ariza was giving him, so I am not saying this is 100%, but it is definitely something going on.

I get why you and others say this. My thing is ODH hadn't been at 147 in ages, Diaz was a bum, Hatton had been KO'd by Floyd and cotto was at 145. None of these wins were su****ious IMO.

[Biolink]

almost all of pac's ko came from the lower weights. i guess he's been juicing since then.

That's what I don't get either.

I'm a Floyd fan, but I'm willing to call BS on other Floyd fans on this one. His power is "overrated" because he actually doesn't have that many KO's, but at the same time he carried his power up? Now don't get me wrong, Manny fans on here also over exaggerate his power.

I think the truth is somewhere in between. He has good power, but at the higher weights generally is not gonna knock you out.

I think some Floyd fans are afraid to admit that he is just a great athlete.

For me Pac fans won't admit he caught some of these people at the right time.

It is what it is, but Oscar drained himself, Hatton was coming off a career defining loss, and Cotto from what I understand basically trained himself for that fight. He did what he had to do and took them all out, but in hindsight that stretch of performances made the rest look pretty lukewarm even though the circumstances surrounding some of those fights was cloudy IMO.

[lightsout15]

I was asking about Manny UD over MAB Oct 07, SD over JMM March 08 then moved up and had 4 straight tko/ko-diaz, ODH, hatton, cotto.

Stop playing dumb. Barrera just wanted to go the distance, he didn't even try to win.Nobody stops Marquez, he's got ATG toughness and heart.

[Evol]

He fell out with Ariza since he renewed his devotion to his faith. He didn't want to be caught up the ped usage. This is my two-cents. I remember Ariza was complaining that Manny didn't want to listen to him and didn't want to do things that got him where he was. Then Freddie came and confirmed that he had his su****ion over the shakes Ariza was giving him, so I am not saying this is 100%, but it is definitely something going on.

lol and now floyd is using the guy u said that is a cheater.

why do they not see this? LOL.

[GOD-FR33]

manny has not posted a single KO since he's been doing testing...

That's what I don't get either.

I'm a Floyd fan, but I'm willing to call BS on other Floyd fans on this one. His power is "overrated" because he actually doesn't have that many KO's, but at the same time he carried his power up? Now don't get me wrong, Manny fans on here also over exaggerate his power.

I think the truth is somewhere in between. He has good power, but at the higher weights generally is not gonna knock you out.

I think some Floyd fans are afraid to admit that he is just a great athlete.

For me Pac fans won't admit he caught some of these people at the right time.

It is what it is, but Oscar drained himself, Hatton was coming off a career defining loss, and Cotto from what I understand basically trained himself for that fight. He did what he had to do and took them all out, but in hindsight that stretch of performances made the rest look pretty lukewarm even though the circumstances surrounding some of those fights was cloudy IMO.

This is a very respectable and logical post. I agree with most of it, at least. Manny is a natural puncher. He STILL is. Every fighter he faces, ends up changing the way they fight by fights end. From Roidquez to Bradley to Mosley to Algeri. They run or shell up once they taste his combination of speed and power. I think he would've stopped Mosley, Algeri, Bradley, Rios, and Roidquez, minus Memo in the 4th fight. Even in the third fight with Roidquez, when the fight was on the line, what did uncharacteristically do? He RAN in the 12th and gave away the fight. Now, why did he do that? A guy that doesn't trust the judges, all of a sudden runs when the fight is razor close??? Hmmmm.....The same thing is about to happen May 2nd. Floyd is going to run, hold, try and move once Manny starts tagging him. WATCH.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop playing dumb. Barrera just wanted to go the distance, he didn't even try to win.Nobody stops Marquez, he's got ATG toughness and heart.

what I posted is exactly what happened. Barrera didn't want to go the distance in the 1st fight but wanted to in the 2nd fight.

I hope you are being sarcastic.