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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” — Russell Redeemed While Vanes Denied

    by David P. Greisman - Look through any set of rankings and you’ll see a remarkable number of fighters with undefeated records. This isn’t wholly surprising. The best prospects and contenders tend to rise up through the ranks without losing. And they tend to stay away from their most competitive counterparts, being managed and moved wisely, avoiding defeat so as to be put in position for a shot at a world title.

    But it’s rare for a boxer to remain undefeated long enough to retire that way. Nearly everyone eventually loses. That fact alone means we shouldn’t write off a fighter solely for the lack of a zero at the end of his record. While the loss isn’t meaningless, what comes afterward can be even more meaningful.

    Gary Russell Jr. and Vanes Martirosyan came into their respective fights this past Saturday with a single loss on their ledgers. Russell’s first pro defeat came in June, when he dropped a majority decision to Vasyl Lomachenko. Martirosyan had come up short in November 2013, suffering defeat to Demetrius Andrade via split decision.

    They had each bounced back since then with wins. Russell outpointed Christopher Martin this past December. Martirosyan’s 2014 brought a pair of decision victories over Mario Lozano and Willie Nelson. But it was their fights on this Showtime doubleheader that would give a truer indication. Russell was challenging featherweight titleholder Jhonny Gonzalez. Martirosyan was facing off with fellow junior middleweight contender Jermell Charlo. [Click Here To Read More]
  • bojangles1987
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    Vanes never seems able to show that little bit more he needs to pull these fights out. He doesn't seem to have it in him.

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    • Bushbaby
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      On paper Vanes lost. I think he won. The absolute best for Charlo was a draw. no where did he win more than 5 rounds.

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      • anonymous2.0
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        Its not the lose that's going to hurt Vanes, its his performance...

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        • Crazylegs77
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          Originally posted by Bushbaby
          On paper Vanes lost. I think he won. The absolute best for Charlo was a draw. no where did he win more than 5 rounds.
          Yup, yet there was no suspense when the cards were read. I felt Vanes won by a few rounds but knew there was very little chance of him winning on the cards.

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          • juandabomb
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            C'Mon Dave, you actually believed Cotto's win versus Martinez was legit from the get go? shame on you

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            • Mr. David
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              Originally posted by juandabomb
              C'Mon Dave, you actually believed Cotto's win versus Martinez was legit from the get go? shame on you
              Forgive me, father, for I have sinned...

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              • JakeNDaBox
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                Originally posted by Bushbaby
                On paper Vanes lost. I think he won. The absolute best for Charlo was a draw. no where did he win more than 5 rounds.
                The amount of punches they missed/the so few they landed, arguing over who "won" that fight is like Greisman and me fighting over a comb.

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                • BostonGuy
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                  It was Vanes fight to lose. He looked decent in the early going as he seemed to dictate the pace and land good head and shots, but his output in the mid and late rounds was dismal. Every time Vanes landed a decent shot, he stepped back, reset and went into defensive mode. He should've followed up on those good power shots that he landed. He just fought a lil too tentative to really sway the fight in his favor

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