Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao a Much Better Boxer Than Mayweather

[mikemurni]

Pac brought up

Chris Algieri(super lightweight arguably loss his last fight), Timothy Bradley(super lightweight), JMM(lightweight), Rios(coming off a loss) to welterweight when THEY NEVER FOUGHT AT THAT WEIGHT for 12 rounds before.

He brought down Oscar De La Hoya (outweighed Delahoya on fight night by 2 pounds) and fought him after he arguably lost his last fight

Drained Cotto after he took a devastating loss to plaster wraps... and was trying to rebuild himself.

Pac resume is crap compared to Mayweather. He has losses as well and never unified Welterweight.

Man.. this is pathetic.. Every fighters resume can be dissed if you really forced it .. All you have to do is throw every excuse in the book..lol..

[mikemurni]

Ummm..... ?

" please dont say Canelo " ?

wtf lol ?

Mayweather beat the #1 guy, to become the #1 guy, at 154.

He is obviously the best jmw in the world.

I dont get your point at all.

http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-middleweight

Are you saying that you dont think Mayweather is the best 154 lb'er in the world?

Are you saying that you dont think Canelo is the 2nd best 154 lb'er in the world?

Nope, I dont get your point.

Except he didnt fight him at 154..Catchweight is ok except it was for the lineal title..It kinda dilutes the lineage and put delusions on *****s mind that Floyd is actually four time lineal champ.. But hey whatever rocks your boat..lol..

[aboutfkntime]

Except he didnt fight him at 154..Catchweight is ok except it was for the lineal title..It kinda dilutes the lineage and put delusions on *****s mind that Floyd is actually four time lineal champ.. But hey whatever rocks your boat..lol..

Well, I dont care about that lineal rubbish, the only thing more overrated than lineal "titles", are P4P "titles"..... and I do agree with you 100% about the unnecessary catchweight demeaning Mayweathers achievment.....

but.....

FACT: Mayweather is the best JMW on the planet

FACT: Canelo is the 2nd best JMW on the planet

No matter how you spin it !

[mikemurni]

Ummm..... ?

" please dont say Canelo " ?

wtf lol ?

Mayweather beat the #1 guy, to become the #1 guy, at 154.

He is obviously the best jmw in the world.

I dont get your point at all.

http://******.craveonline.com/ratings/jr-middleweight

Are you saying that you dont think Mayweather is the best 154 lb'er in the world?

Are you saying that you dont think Canelo is the 2nd best 154 lb'er in the world?

Nope, I dont get your point.

Well, I dont care about that lineal rubbish, the only thing more overrated than lineal "titles", are P4P "titles"..... and I do agree with you 100% about the unnecessary catchweight demeaning Mayweathers achievment.....

but.....

FACT: Mayweather is the best JMW on the planet

FACT: Canelo is the 2nd best JMW on the planet

No matter how you spin it !

FACT: They didnt fight at 154

lineal is rubbish? I thought lineal championship is who beats who in the division.. How can you be considered a real champ when you haven't beat the best in the division.. And lol on the ABC belt like that means any ***** in fight at the highest level..

And you not giving **** about P4P is because Pac had fought more fighters in the P4P list than Floyd..lol.. But truthfully that's a better gauge of the fighter compared to those ABC belts that you like so much...

[Brickyardigan]

Man.. this is pathetic.. Every fighters resume can be dissed if you really forced it .. All you have to do is throw every excuse in the book..lol..

Dafuq are you talking about you twat? This IS Pacquiao's resume, he brought up super lightweights and lightweights to welterweight to fight them. He also brought down bigger fighters to weights they haven't fought at for years. His resume is padded and is not really good. Floyd Mayweather's resume is much more legit.

[JrX]

Dafuq are you talking about you twat? This IS Pacquiao's resume, he brought up super lightweights and lightweights to welterweight to fight them. He also brought down bigger fighters to weights they haven't fought at for years. His resume is padded and is not really good. Floyd Mayweather's resume is much more legit.

Like Floyd did to Hatton, Marquez and didnt make weight, drained Canelo, and fought any1 who beat ANDRE BERTO. Your being way to picky with Pac and not Floyd, it goes both ways.

[aboutfkntime]

FACT: They didnt fight at 154

Who cares ?

The topic of conversation is about who is the best in the division.

So, unless you disagree with this.....

FACT: Mayweather is the best JMW on the planet
FACT: Canelo is the 2nd best JMW on the planet

..... then, the fact that they did not fight at 154 is completely irrelevant.

They are obviously ranked #1 and #2 at 154.

lineal is rubbish? I thought lineal championship is who beats who in the division.. How can you be considered a real champ when you haven't beat the best in the division.. And lol on the ABC belt like that means any ***** in fight at the highest level.

Yes, lineal is rubbish.

Lineal is just " the-man-who-beat-the-man ".

The lineal " champ " (LOL) is often not the best in the division.

e.g.

Bernard Hopkins..... sorry, I mean..... The Great Bernard Hopkins.

Hopkins was the man at middleweight, he unified, set records for consecutive defences, AND he became the lineal champ.

So, the lineal champ was the best in the division, right ?

Not according to Jermain Taylor, who beat him TWICE !

So, Taylor was the man, right ?

Nope, not according to Kelly Pavlik, who beat him TWICE !

So, Pavlik was the man, right ?

Nope, not according to Sergio Martinez.

So, Martinez was the man, right ?

Nope, not according to Miguel Cotto.

Now..... now, we can have some real fun

So, Miguel Cotto is the current Lineal Middleweight Champion.

I challenge you to tell me where Cotto SHOULD be ranked at middleweight..... use the ring rankings, and slot Cotto in where you think he should fit.

Then, after you have told me where the current lineal middleweight champion should really be ranked at middlwweight...... you can then set about telling me why "lineage" should be a factor when considering greatness.

Seriously, the only reason why we have a lineal " champ " is because every division is fractured by numerous ABC organisations. Back in the day we did not have a lineal champ, we did not need one, because we had a real champ lol.

How can you give a fighter credit for "lineage", when considering him against truly great fighters who fought in an era where there was no such thing as " lineal " because they had a real champion?

You insisting that lineage is even important, is simply watering down the standards that have been held within boxing for decades.

So yes..... when considering true greatness..... lineal is rubbish, and should not be a factor.

It can be factor when separating greatness, I agree..... but not when defining greatness.

Lineage is something that can be considered after determining that a fighter is great, so that you can compare him with other fighters that you have already defined as great..... but not as initial justification that he is great..... that would be weak as shht.

And you not giving **** about P4P is because Pac had fought more fighters in the P4P list than Floyd..lol.. But truthfully that's a better gauge of the fighter compared to those ABC belts that you like so much...

No.

I do not give a fakk about P4P because it is subjective, opinion-based only, and has no bearing whatsoever on divisional supremacy..... so therefore simply cannot be taken seriously.

I got more info on lineage / lineal champs if you're interested ^^

[Brickyardigan]

Like Floyd did to Hatton, Marquez and didnt make weight, drained Canelo, and fought any1 who beat ANDRE BERTO. Your being way to picky with Pac and not Floyd, it goes both ways.

Was Berto not number 1 in the division when Ortiz beat him? Was Hatton not ducking a Mayweather that was in the Jr. Welterweight division, where his father who trains him says they need more fights? Didn't Marquez called out Mayweather to fight because Pacquiao avoided fighting him again after robbing him in 2008? SO no it doesn't go both ways. No one calls out Pacquiao, he chooses and picks fighters coming off losses.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd is by far the better boxer


But to try and discredit manny's resume is just ******.. Dude has stoppage wins over barrera and morales, that alone is 1000x better than most fighters can only dream of doing.
Everything else is icing on the cake

[El-blanco]

Was Berto not number 1 in the division when Ortiz beat him? Was Hatton not ducking a Mayweather that was in the Jr. Welterweight division, where his father who trains him says they need more fights? Didn't Marquez called out Mayweather to fight because Pacquiao avoided fighting him again after robbing him in 2008? SO no it doesn't go both ways. No one calls out Pacquiao, he chooses and picks fighters coming off losses.

Still going on about this? Manny lost to morales who was coming off a loss you ******. It doesn't mean ****. Just because someone loses doesnt mean their psyche is shot or that they're inferior. Stop repeating what your hero says.