Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao Can't Follow Floyd and Walk Into Shots

[KRITKL]

Both are to blame and you know it. This is COMMON industry knowledge. Did you slurp up the I'm on vacation or I don't do business with Arum or Pac got JMM and Bradley problems or a host of other lame things Floyd said??? It goes both ways. I have already in the past mentioned the areas Pac was to blame, did you mention the areas where Floyd was to blame? If not, I have no need for further discussions with a person who is railroaded with bias. Both sides acted like Prima Donna's and anyone who cant see this is blind as hell.

Exactly^^^^^^
They were running with every excuse Floyd would come up with.
Yes, Manny ***ed up with not signing the first time, but I doubt he knew Floyd would act like such a lil biatch about it for years.
Good thing Les had to call Floyd's boss Haymon to get him to sign this time.

[richardt]

Exactly^^^^^^
They were running with every excuse Floyd would come up with.
Yes, Manny ***ed up with not signing the first time, but I doubt he knew Floyd would act like such a lil biatch about it for years.
Good thing Les had to call Floyd's boss Haymon to get him to sign this time.

Yeah, it takes someone completely oblivious to reality or blinded by bias to not see how each side tossed in fire bombs into every negotiation or potential negotiation. I respect those who see the fault from both sides and I have no respect for those who are blinded by bias on either side. When someone cant see how Floyd played a role to hinder the fight, that's where I stop conversing with them.

[GRUSTLER]

It is common knowledge. Put up a poll of who is to blame with A) Floyd, B) Pac, and C) both guys and you will see the obvious that it is common knowledge. It doesn't matter how many negotiations there were, Floyd also chopped down the fight as well. If someone 5 years ago demands something from you that he has never demanded from anyone else, you would take that as an insult. That's what Pac did, he responded emotionally instead of not responding to the accusations. But Floyd has a number of times shot the fight down. Both are to blame, that is clear as day. Both guys have huge egos, that is what has gotten in the way of the fight a number of times.

See and this is why Pacquiao fans are considered ******ed because there were boxers before Mayweather who asked other boxers to get tested like Mike Tyson asking Holyfield for example. Difference is.... Holyfield accepted like someone who wanted the fight. It had nothing to do with ego or an insult because Pacquiao asked Mayweather to pay 10MIL freaking dollars per lb if he went over the 147 WW limit and Floyd's ego didn't get in the way of him accepting it so no.... you are wrong!

Floyd didn't have no ego because Floyd wanted the fight. How does a random blood test 14 day cut off request for BOTH fighters become "an insult"? This always kills me because Pacquiao fans stay bashing Mayweather but somehow Manny is blameless and even when he is at fault. Floyd is pulled in to take some of the blame. No way was a random blood test an insult to a fighter/boxer who had nothing to hide and/or wanted the fight.

The problem was Manny had the ego because he thought he was the biggest star in the sport and this has been proven by the negotiations with Hatton and Cotto when he played super hard ball with them in order to get what he wanted. Mayweather gave into all of De La Hoya's demands just to get the fight! That's what you do when you want a fight of important magnitude. You compromise. Manny thought too highly of himself only years later to accept the same deal but with lesser money. To me that sounds like a person with an ego to mess up an opportunity only to later take a lesser deal. I wish I could build a time machine and fast forward to May 2nd because I'm tired of you reality shifting, butterfly effect, ripple in the waves of reality ass mofo's.

[richardt]

See and this is why Pacquiao fans are considered ******ed because there were boxers before Mayweather who asked other boxers to get tested like Mike Tyson asking Holyfield for example. Difference is.... Holyfield accepted like someone who wanted the fight. It had nothing to do with ego or an insult because Pacquiao asked Mayweather to pay 10MIL freaking dollars per lb if he went over the 147 WW limit and Floyd's ego didn't get in the way of him accepting it so no.... you are wrong!

Floyd didn't have no ego because Floyd wanted the fight. How does a random blood test 14 day cut off request for BOTH fighters become "an insult"? This always kills me because Pacquiao fans stay bashing Mayweather but somehow Manny is blameless and even when he is at fault. Floyd is pulled in to take some of the blame. No way was a random blood test an insult to a fighter/boxer who had nothing to hide and/or wanted the fight.

The problem was Manny had the ego because he thought he was the biggest star in the sport and this has been proven by the negotiations with Hatton and Cotto when he played super hard ball with them in order to get what he wanted. Mayweather gave into all of De La Hoya's demands just to get the fight! That's what you do when you want a fight of important magnitude. You compromise. Manny thought too highly of himself only years later to accept the same deal but with lesser money. To me that sounds like a person with an ego to mess up an opportunity only to later take a lesser deal. I wish I could build a time machine and fast forward to May 2nd because I'm tired of you reality shifting, butterfly effect, ripple in the waves of reality ass mofo's.

You didn't answer the question. WHO did Mayweather demand to take tests before he demanded them of Pac? And who said Pac is blameless? I'm not going to go in circles with you and the conversation has ended unless you are willing to admit that both sides were to blame. Put up a poll and if the poll shows that Pac is to blame in a landslide, I give you $100. If the Poll shows Floyd is to blame in a landslide, you give me $100. If it is even or close to even, neither one of us pays up. It is INDUSTRY KNOWLEDGE that both are to blame. You ALREADY know this, that is why the debate has raged on for years with plausible arguments from both sides. Both are to blame, live with it and stop going in circles.

[GRUSTLER]

Yeah, it takes someone completely oblivious to reality or blinded by bias to not see how each side tossed in fire bombs into every negotiation or potential negotiation. I respect those who see the fault from both sides and I have no respect for those who are blinded by bias on either side. When someone cant see how Floyd played a role to hinder the fight, that's where I stop conversing with them.

Floyd played a role in the fight not being made because he asked a supposedly clean fighter to take the same damn random blood test as him with a 14 day cut off. Damn that Floyd! Always setting up road blocks (sarcasm).... next excuse comes..... "Floyd knew Manny would not accept because he heard what Manny said about the Erik Morales fight." Do you Pacquiao guys really realize how ****** these excuses are? I mean damn.... making yourselves look like JACK ASSES just to slander one man is totally ridiculous when the truth was/is always there. Only the people living a lie gets deceived by the B.S. they shoveling.

It is documented in the boxing archives that Manny Pacquiao walked away from the fight when they were in their primes, so live and deal with it. For all the B.S. Freddie Roach be shoveling even he got it right when he said it was their fault, through all the bashing he did of Floyd all of those years ago. He finally came to realization that they were the ones who killed the fight the first time. Now you say.... "Now you believe Freddie but before he was lying". Why would Freddie lie on himself about his side killing the fight? It makes no sense to throw dirt on yourself and the team if it is not true. That is called a "conscience" something Pacquiao's fans on this site don't have. You believe what you want and I'll stick to the truth and facts.

[richardt]

Floyd played a role in the fight not being made because he asked a supposedly clean fighter to take the same damn random blood test as him with a 14 day cut off. Damn that Floyd! Always setting up road blocks (sarcasm).... next excuse comes..... "Floyd knew Manny would not accept because he heard what Manny said about the Erik Morales fight." Do you Pacquiao guys really realize how ****** these excuses are? I mean damn.... making yourselves look like JACK ASSES just to slander one man is totally ridiculous when the truth was/is always there. Only the people living a lie gets deceived by the B.S. they shoveling.

It is documented in the boxing archives that Manny Pacquiao walked away from the fight when they were in their primes, so live and deal with it. For all the B.S. Freddie Roach be shoveling even he got it right when he said it was their fault, through all the bashing he did of Floyd all of those years ago. He finally came to realization that they were the ones who killed the fight the first time. Now you say.... "Now you believe Freddie but before he was lying". Why would Freddie lie on himself about his side killing the fight? It makes no sense to throw dirt on yourself and the team if it is not true. That is called a "conscience" something Pacquiao's fans on this site don't have. You believe what you want and I'll stick to the truth and facts.

"Slander one man"? Take that sht to those who only see Floyd as to blame. I am not one of those. Your generalization comments are ******ed as hell because you are grouping me with people who only blame Floyd. It is documented in the Boxing archives that both put up obstacles and both are to blame and now they are fighting, nothing you say is going to change ANY of that no matter how desperate you are. That is the consensus of fans and industry insiders and that overrules your biased opinion.

[GRUSTLER]

You didn't answer the question. WHO did Mayweather demand to take tests before he demanded them of Pac? And who said Pac is blameless? I'm not going to go in circles with you and the conversation has ended unless you are willing to admit that both sides were to blame. Put up a poll and if the poll shows that Pac is to blame in a landslide, I give you $100. If the Poll shows Floyd is to blame in a landslide, you give me $100. If it is even or close to even, neither one of us pays up. It is INDUSTRY KNOWLEDGE that both are to blame. A poll will end this conversation.

Does it matter who Floyd asked before Manny? Ok, I got one for you.... Who did Manny ask for a 10Mil weight penalty per lb if the fighter comes in over the WW limit? WHO? NO ONE, just like Floyd didn't ask anyone before Pacquiao to do random testing but guess what........ Floyd accepted the never heard of demand from Pacquiao but the gesture wasn't returned. Don't you get that it takes two to tango?! And who in the hell gives two craps about a poll because we all know Floyd is not as well liked as Manny, so I will stick to facts and the fact is that Floyd is only guilty for asking Manny to test with a 14 day cut off. Not to mention the deal was 50/50.... are you telling me that you would have been in your feelings over being requested to take a random blood test to the point of walking away from the biggest fight of your life leaving 50% of a mega fight? Are you freaking kidding me! How is that considered a road block? ESPECIALLY if you are a clean fighter. How does this make sense or become a road block to ask for it? It was/is called a request or demand depending how you want to look at it. It only became a road block when Manny refused it. You guys can't be serious.... wasn't much of a road block now because the fight got made because Manny finally came to his senses after having them knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez.

[KRITKL]

Yeah, it takes someone completely oblivious to reality or blinded by bias to not see how each side tossed in fire bombs into every negotiation or potential negotiation. I respect those who see the fault from both sides and I have no respect for those who are blinded by bias on either side. When someone cant see how Floyd played a role to hinder the fight, that's where I stop conversing with them.

Just stop then, the dude is just mad that his, as long as Arum is involved the fight won't happen theory was wrong. Floyd said it, but it wasn't the truth.
But everyone else can't see lies and are being deceived.

[GRUSTLER]

"Slander one man"? Take that sht to those who only see Floyd as to blame. I am not one of those. Your generalization comments are ******ed as hell because you are grouping me with people who only blame Floyd. It is documented in the Boxing archives that both put up obstacles and both are to blame and now they are fighting, nothing you say is going to change ANY of that no matter how desperate you are. That is the consensus of fans and industry insiders and that overrules your biased opinion.

I know what I know and accepted the truth. I am not led like a sheep with the flock bruh. When you look at the article of when the negotiations ended it says
Mayweather agreed to a 10Mil weight penalty and Pacquiao walked away from the fight because he didn't want to do random blood testing 14 days before the fight. Where does it say Floyd put up road blocks? The only thing people were complaining about was Floyd asking for the blood test like it was an insult. YOU consider it a road block and all the other Pacquiao apologists. Funny how Floyd was the bad guy and ducker for asking for the tests but when Manny gets knocked out by JMM HBO and Lampley does a special on Steroids in boxing. Bunch of hypocrites who expect people with their own mind and understanding to become ignorant because of personal issues with another person. No thanks.

[richardt]

Does it matter who Floyd asked before Manny? Ok, I got one for you.... Who did Manny ask for a 10Mil weight penalty per lb if the fighter comes in over the WW limit? WHO? NO ONE, just like Floyd didn't ask anyone before Pacquiao to do random testing but guess what........ Floyd accepted the never heard of demand from Pacquiao but the gesture wasn't returned. Don't you get that it takes two to tango?! And who in the hell gives two craps about a poll because we all know Floyd is not as well liked as Manny, so I will stick to facts and the fact is that Floyd is only guilty for asking Manny to test with a 14 day cut off. Not to mention the deal was 50/50.... are you telling me that you would have been in your feelings over being requested to take a random blood test to the point of walking away from the biggest fight of your life leaving 50% of a mega fight? Are you freaking kidding me! How is that considered a road block? ESPECIALLY if you are a clean fighter. How does this make sense or become a road block to ask for it? It was/is called a request or demand depending how you want to look at it. It only became a road block when Manny refused it. You guys can't be serious.... wasn't much of a road block now because the fight got made because Manny finally came to his senses after having them knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez.

And who did Floyd pay off because he could not make weight? You FAIL to blame Floyd for anything he does that compares to the things you berate Pac about. So your drama queen outburst clearly shows you have zero capability of rationale and are dominated by bias and emotional rage. And that was a pathetic attempt to say just because people hate Floyd is why a poll would be inaccurate just because you cannot acknowledge that there are specific reasons why people know Floyd is to blame just as there are for why Pac is to blame. You don't know what motivates Pac or Floyd for that matter with why they do what they do so stop acting like you know what is truly in their hearts and can judge one over the other. I have already said why Floyd is to blame and why Pac is to blame so stop ignoring the list of reasons why both are because they exist. They are both to blame, get over it.