"Krusher" Kovalev vs RJJ@ 168-175lbs/12-12.5 Stone. Who wins?

[BattlingNelson]

I can show you links that will show Roy in a very different light.

I'm sure you can. I somehow doubt that those links are german or polish that shows the multiple times jones turned down DM though.

[GOD-FR33]

Did you forget?

Y'all musta Forgot!!!!! Now watch the Fanboys come after me trying to justify WHY Roy was KO'ed all these times! LoL. I guess his chin aged too, right? Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[therealpugilist]

Y'all musta Forgot!!!!! Now watch the Fanboys come after me trying to justify WHY Roy was KO'ed all these times! LoL. I guess his chin aged too, right? Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

like Roy is the first fighter to go a long time with out being stopped or dropped and take KO losses.....bro you really aren't a boxing fan


you do realize he is 35 years old or older in all these losses....you judge a fighter by what they did at their best not by what they did as a senior citizen, stop reaching man

Same thing happened to Ezzard Charles when he got old...Jimmy Bivins, Holyfield, etc....Lost to fighters and ko'ed by fighters he already beat or was better than in his prime

Tyson was kayoed by people he'd have blitzed in his prime as well, the list goes on


Kovalev is a good fighter, he isn't an all-great, just let it simmer and take it....Trashing Roy cause he lost doesn't change the fact his resume craps on every light heavyweight in today's era and that he was a higher caliber fighter than them all as well.

[therealpugilist]

Y'all musta Forgot!!!!! Now watch the Fanboys come after me trying to justify WHY Roy was KO'ed all these times! LoL. I guess his chin aged too, right? Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Its called punch resistance moron, when you age you don't take punches as well as you did in your younger days because of sparring, fights, training etc.


You do realize the human body wasn't built to take the blunt force trauma of boxing

[robertzimmerman]

I'm sure you can. I somehow doubt that those links are german or polish that shows the multiple times jones turned down DM though.

The saga with Dariusz was discussed recently. Roy refused offers to go to Germany, and Dariusz and his manager were never willing to sit down and have serious discussions for Dariusz to go to the States. Basically, neither guy would travel.

With regards to failed negotiations with Frankie Liles, Evander Holyfield and Bernard Hopkins, there's some very interesting things to note.


Liles:

In 1996, Roy fought Bryant Brannon. And before the fight, he conducted a live question and answer session, that was broadcasted on HBO. During the broadcast, Roy spoke of the fact that his team had offered 7 figure sums to a number of fighters, that included the likes of Frankie Liles and Vincenzo Nardiello. The thing to note, is that at times, HBO publicly criticised some of Roy's mandatory defences. Yet during the live interview, they gave him their full support. Jim Lampley noted that Frankie Liles had never fought for a 7 figure purse up to that point.

Also, in a later interview, Frankie Liles's manager, Jack O'Halloran, confirmed what Roy had spoke of. He said that Frankie had a great opportunity to fight Roy, but he blew it by going back and asking for more money. At the time, O'Halloran and turned Frankie's career around, and he gave him somewhere to live and to train. And when Frankie blew the fight, he was outraged. And that was because he was absolutely certain than Frankie would have beaten him. And in the end, they parted ways.

So if both HBO as well as Frankie's manager has confirmed what Roy said as being true, nobody can really argue against that.


Holyfield:

For 13 years of his career, Evander had an attorney called Jim Thomas. Jim Thomas was responsible for making all of his fights within that period. In 2005, Thomas published a book titled - 'The Holyfield Way' detailing all of his behind the scenes negotiations that went into securing those fights. Upon it's release, Evander gave it his full blessing.

Although I don't own a copy of his book, I've read numerous excerpts from it online. In the book, Thomas speaks of two instances where a fight was discussed. Once in 1998, and once in 2003.

1998 - Thomas states that Roy's advisor, Greg Fritz, contacted him and asked if he and Roy could come to Atlanta to discuss the idea of a fight. Thomas agreed, and the four of them met at Evander's favourite restaurant. And Thomas states that in the end, Evander respectfully turned down their proposal, as at the time, he felt as though he was in a no-win situation.

2003 - After Roy had beaten John Ruiz, Thomas met Murad Muhammad (Roy's advisor at the time) and Don King, to discuss a potential fight. Specific figures were discussed, that included the upside of the PPV revenue. But before the specifics could be discussed with Evander, Thomas asked King for money that was owed to Evander from a previous fight. But King refused and wouldn't back down. Upon returning and discussing things with Evander, Evander told Thomas that he didn't want any further dealings with King. He was extremely angry. So they instead went with the option of fighting James Toney. And in doing so, he fought Toney for less of a guarantee, and there was no title at stake.


Hopkins:

According to various reports, in 2002, Bernard turned down $6m to fight Roy at a catch weight of 168 pounds. Bernard reportedly blew the fight by demanding $10m. And when a compromise couldn't be reached, Bernard spent a whole year out of the ring, before returning to fight Morrade Hakkar.


If we're allowed to post links on this site, I can post them up if you're interested, which will verify what I've wrote.

The 'Reluctant Roy' jibes were completely unjust.

He wasn't just content to fight the Frazier's and Kelly's of the world. And the other things to note, is that HBO had an approved list, they kept on renewing his contracts that included bonuses, and they obviously knew that they would have to screen his mandatory defences.

Just think how Roy's resume would look today, if the above names were on it. It would look great. And under different circumstances, it could have happened.

Roy was open to fighting the big fights.

[ukbox]

Prime rjj wins 9/10 for me

[LoadedWraps]

Who said I didn't like Roy Jones? Because I'm not kissing his ass in a Fantasy fight? I don't think he beats SK, PERIOD. I think he gets KO'ed. He couldn't take a punch, man. You never saw him have to in his prime either. And it wasn't because he was so "untouchable". Anybody can look like a boxing god against Cab drivers, Policemen, Security guards, and Firemen. etc. In order to beat a fighter like SK, you have to take punishment. This includes my boy Ward if they ever fight. He is a very smart fighter with KILLER INSTINCT. He is nothing to play with and a bad match up for Roy's overrated ass. Roy is the fastest fighter I ever seen in a boxing ring. SO WHAT!!!!!!! He is definitely not the greatest fighter. He is the Lebron James of boxing. Pure athleticism. He never learned fundamentals. What don't you understand about this? As soon as he got older, he was exposed for what he was. A physical freak. That's why he was always getting KO'ed. So, what great skills does he bring to the table, against someone who is fundamentally sound? Like Sk? You guys need to face reality and stop kissing these fighters ass so much. Tell the F'N truth every once in a while.

Well said. Good post.

[robertzimmerman]

Well said. Good post.

Well said?

A good post?

It was yet another hateful rant, that was full of inaccuracies.

The guy's a joke.

[LoadedWraps]

The saga with Dariusz was discussed recently. Roy refused offers to go to Germany, and Dariusz and his manager were never willing to sit down and have serious discussions for Dariusz to go to the States. Basically, neither guy would travel.

With regards to failed negotiations with Frankie Liles, Evander Holyfield and Bernard Hopkins, there were some very interesting things to note.


Liles:

In 1996, Roy fought Bryant Brannon. And before the fight, he conducted a live question and answer session, that was broadcasted on HBO. During the broadcast, Roy spoke of the fact that his team had offered 7 figure sums to a number of fighters, that included the likes of Frankie Liles and Vincenzo Nardiello. The thing to note, is that at times, HBO publicly criticised some of Roy's mandatory defences. Yet during the live interview, they gave him their full support. Jim Lampley noted that Frankie Liles had never fought for a 7 figure purse up to that point.

Also, in a later interview, Frankie Liles's manager, Jack O'Halloran, confirmed what Roy had spoke of. He said that Frankie had a great opportunity to fight Roy, but he blew it by going back and asking for more money. At the time, O'Halloran and turned Frankie's career around, and he gave him somewhere to live and to train. And when Frankie blew the fight, he was outraged. And that was because he was absolutely certain than Frankie would have beaten him. And in the end, they parted ways.

So if both HBO as well as Frankie's manager has confirmed what Roy said as being true, nobody can really argue against that.


Holyfield:

For 13 years of his career, Evander had an attorney called Jim Thomas. Jim Thomas was responsible for making all of his fights within that period. In 2005, Thomas published a book titled - 'The Holyfield Way' detailing all of his behind the scenes negotiations that went into securing those fights. Upon it's release, Evander gave it his full blessing.

Although I don't own a copy of his book, I've read numerous excerpts from it online. In the book, Thomas speaks of two instances where a fight was discussed. Once in 1998, and once in 2003.

1998 - Thomas states that Roy's advisor, Greg Fritz, contacted him and asked if he and Roy could come to Atlanta to discuss the idea of a fight. Thomas agreed, and the four of them met at Evander's favourite restaurant. And Thomas states that in the end, Evander respectfully turned down their proposal, as at the time, he felt as though he was in a no-win situation.

2003 - After Roy had beaten John Ruiz, Thomas met Murad Muhammad (Roy's advisor at the time) and Don King, to discuss a potential fight. Specific figures were discussed, that included the upside of the PPV revenue. But before the specifics could be discussed with Evander, Thomas asked King for money that was owed to Evander from a previous fight. But King refused and wouldn't back down. Upon returning and discussing things with Evander, Evander told Thomas that he didn't want any further dealings with King. He was extremely angry. So they instead went with the option of fighting James Toney. And in doing so, he fought Toney for less of a guarantee, and there was no title at stake.


Hopkins:

According to various reports, in 2002, Bernard turned down $6m to fight Roy at a catch weight of 168 pounds. Bernard reportedly blew the fight by demanding $10m. And when a compromise couldn't be reached, Bernard spent a whole year out of the ring, before returning to fight Morrade Hakkar.


If we're allowed to post links on this site, I can post them up if you're interested, which will verify what I've wrote.

The 'Reluctant Roy' jibes were completely unjust.

He wasn't just content to fight the Frazier's and Kelly's of the world. And the other things to note, is that HBO had an approved list, they kept on renewing his contracts that included bonuses, and they obviously knew that they would have to screen his mandatory defences.

Just think how Roy's resume would look today, if the above names were on it. It would look great. And under different circumstances, it could have happened.

Roy was open to fighting the big fights.

Great post! Thanks for sharing.

[DannyNL]

RJJ by wide UD.