"Krusher" Kovalev vs RJJ@ 168-175lbs/12-12.5 Stone. Who wins?

[therealpugilist]

It's like beating a dead horse with these fanboys, man. SK would pound Roy like he did Pascal, who I think was on PEDS during their first encounter. He was fast as hell and very strong. Smh. SK broke his ass down with will and ring IQ. He'd do the same to Roy who trains Pascal. Roy made amateurish mistakes at times in there. He was not taught the basics of boxing. He lacked fundamentals. He dropped his hands against EVERYONE, just like Pascal does, just like Floyd does. But these aren't flaws to these idiots. Smh. He would do it against SK too, because fighters have behavior in the ring. Things they do in every fight. And when he does, just like Pascal, he would get put to SLEEP. The end.

Pascal is levels below a prime Roy Jones...slower, not as good a natural athlete, less power and doesn't throw fluid combos like Jones nor does he vary his punch speed or place his shots as well as jones.....He wasn't as elusive as Jones either.....Prime Jones most likely would have stopped Pascal who gasses after mid fight and is a sucker for the right hand.


KOV is not better than Virgil Hill at 175 who was a mainstay there for over a decade and went on to win a cruiserweight title after he lost to Jones.....Only lost to Hall of famers at the weight.....Jones is definitely getting in, I think Hearns is in now, and Dariusz Michalcewski may get in one day

Kov has fought one hall of famer his entire career, who was 50 years old at that




Kov would get picked apart by Jones

[BattlingNelson]

Roy didn't have a bad chin in his prime....He was dropped one time before the age of 35 and that was in his 3rd weight class vs Lou Del Valle....a former major titleholder at the weight.


Also, Roy has defeated over 17 former world champions and titlists and at least 5 hall of famers.....Hill, Toney, Hopkins, Trinidad, Mike McCallum


Jones started at 154 and has a better resume at 175 than Kovalev.....before he was visibly washed up and past the age of 35 Jones had wins over former 175 champions and title holders.....Reggie Johnson, Lou Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Antonio Tarver, Clinton Woods, and Julo Cesar Gonzalez and Montell Griffin.



At one point before he lost the ring lightheavyweight title in 2004, he held wins over 7 of the top 10 guys in his division.

Im confident that Kovalev has the to KHTFO.

You list the fighters he fought which s all good. Roy has a fine resume. You could make a better resume out of fighters he did not fight though.

[therealpugilist]

Im confident that Kovalev has the to KHTFO.

You list the fighters he fought which s all good. Roy has a fine resume. You could make a better resume out of fighters he did not fight though.

you can also do it with every fighter in history....No fighter in history fought every good fighter at or near their size in their careers...especially fighters who fought below heavyweight....The only fighters who came close were Harry Greb and Muhammad Ali

[BattlingNelson]

you can also do it with every fighter in history....No fighter in history fought every good fighter at or near their size in their careers...especially fighters who fought below heavyweight....The only fighters who came close were Harry Greb and Muhammad Ali

Nope. Plenty of ATGs have a resume that you could never top by exchanging real opponents with those that fighter did not fight.

[therealpugilist]

Im confident that Kovalev has the to KHTFO.

You list the fighters he fought which s all good. Roy has a fine resume. You could make a better resume out of fighters he did not fight though.

just for fun, i'll do it with arguably the greatest fighter of all time


Sugar Ray Robinson was world rated from 135-160 from the early 40s- early 50s and never fought Cocoa Kid, Jake Chase, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley, and only fought a washed up Aaron "Tiger"Wade and none of the black murderer's Row in their prime.....doesn't take away what Robinson did in his career, its not fair to do that. You judge fighters by what they did, not by what they didn't or should've done.

He could've fought them, it didn't happen nor does it affect his legacy. Even though he fought lamotta in the early 40's and Lamotta was a middleweight. All these guys were ranked at 147 or 160 some time or another during the 40's.

[BattlingNelson]

just for fun, i'll do it with arguably the greatest fighter of all time


Sugar Ray Robinson was world rated from 135-160 from the early 40s- early 50s and never fought Cocoa Kid, Jake Chase, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, Eddie Booker, Charley Burley, and only fought a washed up Aaron "Tiger"Wade and none of the black murderer's Row in their prime.....doesn't take away what Robinson did in his career, its not fair to do that. You judge fighters by what they did, not by what they didn't or should've done.

He could've fought them, it didn't happen nor does it affect his legacy. Even though he fought lamotta in the early 40's and Lamotta was a middleweight. All these guys were ranked at 147 or 160 some time or another during the 40's.

You need to take it on a yearly basis. Take one year. List who Robinson fought. Then make a list of opponents he could have fought instead and then compare. Do that for every year and check the result.

[SkillspayBills]

RJJ at 168-175 is the greatest fighter to ever lace on a pair of boxing gloves point blank period.

[therealpugilist]

You need to take it on a yearly basis. Take one year. List who Robinson fought. Then make a list of opponents he could have fought instead and then compare. Do that for every year and check the result.

Why should I do that, when the fighters I listed were better than a lot of the guys he beat.


At 147 his best opponent was a near prime Kid Gavilan who was not at his best until 1950-153

Jake Lamotta fought Holman Williams and Lloyd Marshall though, why couldn't he? Robinson fought more catchweights as champion than he defended the title at 147

Charley Burley was a top ten ranked welterweight and middleweight throughout the early 40's til retirement around 1950....even fought lightheavyweights and beat a heavyweight with a 50+ pound weight advantage.




these guys were better than everyone he at 147-160....At 160 SRR wasn't at his best and lost to guys he would have beat in his prime like Basilio and Turpin the first time but none I'd take Burley over those guys...he was an all around better fighter

[therealpugilist]

RJJ at 168-175 is the greatest fighter to ever lace on a pair of boxing gloves point blank period.

He was the best I ever saw and wouldn't favor anyone over him where he started at 154-168 in his prime...talent wise he was the best I ever saw...could do things in the ring no fighter could do...he was the Ray Robinson of his time.

[BattlingNelson]

Why should I do that, when the fighters I listed were better than a lot of the guys he beat.


At 147 his best opponent was a near prime Kid Gavilan who was not at his best until 1950-153

Jake Lamotta fought Holman Williams and Lloyd Marshall though, why couldn't he? Robinson fought more catchweights as champion than he defended the title at 147

Charley Burley was a top ten ranked welterweight and middleweight throughout the early 40's til retirement around 1950....even fought lightheavyweights and beat a heavyweight with a 50+ pound weight advantage.




these guys were better than everyone he at 147-160....At 160 SRR wasn't at his best and lost to guys he would have beat in his prime like Basilio and Turpin the first time but none I'd take Burley over those guys...he was an all around better fighter

Doing Robinson would a monumental or at least long ordeal. Ray Leonard would be easier.

I would have done a few years on Roy Jones just for good measure, but unfortunately I cannot get into boxrec wtf?