The 5 men who defeated Manny Pacquiao.

[Scipio2009]

Mayweather fans who are blindly believing he is TBE...Sugar Ray Robinson's record is:

won 173 (KO 108) + lost 19 (KO 1) + drawn 6 = 200

Sugar Ray Robinson is considered by many as the REAL TBE.

'Sugar' Ray Robinson fought for over 20 years as a pro, was 40-0 when he lost his first fight (to Jake LaMotta, another all-time great), which he immediately avenged, not losing another fight for 8 years (a fight he immediately avenged). Robinson's hit list is littered with a whos who of the top fighters at the time.

If you actually look at Robinson's losses, you'd know that near all of them happened while Robinson was on his way down, only resulting in him being stopped once.

Mayweather has already shown that he's an otherworldly talent, knocking off everyone put in front of him across 5 weight classes (with likely success in a sixth if he pushed it; if he tried to fight at 168 and go 15 rounds in the throws of a Vegas summer (Sam Boyd) he might end up succumbing to exhaustion too.

Pacquiao was getting washed by no name guys before the mystery run.

[mathed]

How many times did Floyd get knocked out as a growing fighter? How many times did Juan Manuel Marquez, Eric Morales or Marco Antonio Barerra get knocked out as a growing fighter? All of them started young, just like Pacquaio. How many times did Sugar Ray Leonard or Sugar Ray Robinson get knocked out as growing fighters? That growing fighter nonsense is total bulls..t. Everything counts, including his prime losses to Morales, Bradley (legitimate or not) and Marquez as well as his two early losses. I saw the tapes of Pacquaio's first two losses and, to be honest, only one of them was legitimate. The other one was the result of a low blow. However, they all count!!!!

The TS was making the point that Pac fans pretend like those losses don't exist or don't matter and you are proving his point with your comments

JMM got dropped 3 times the first time he faced Pac, Morales got KO'd the 2nd and 3rd times he faced Pac, Barerra got knocked out when he faced Pac the first time. Just saying, these great fighters all took losses to Pac WAY before they were to the point of being considered shot.

The point is that Floyd substantiates his career on the fact that he has an 0 but in the end, it doesn't mean anything...that's the point that a lot of posters don't want to acknowledge. Some people think that because Pac has a loss.....or a couple losses on his record and that Floyd doesn't, that somehow Pac is no longer a threat.

I mean if that is what makes people feel comfortable about the outcome of this fight, hey, go ahead with that. Personally, and honestly, a loss doesn't mean anything in the scheme of a boxer's career. It carries weight when you have an image to protect but beyond that, it carries little water.

[Spray_resistant]

Its all history and has no significance on the up coming fight since we know Pac is a great fighter and a special talent.......should we start counting rds lost too or how about punches landed on fighter throughout a career?

The problem seems to be that some people have the laughable idea that undefeated means unbeatable until proven otherwise but they are both human and can be hurt or make mistakes.

[mike1010011]

'Sugar' Ray Robinson fought for over 20 years as a pro, was 40-0 when he lost his first fight (to Jake LaMotta, another all-time great), which he immediately avenged, not losing another fight for 8 years (a fight he immediately avenged). Robinson's hit list is littered with a whos who of the top fighters at the time.

If you actually look at Robinson's losses, you'd know that near all of them happened while Robinson was on his way down, only resulting in him being stopped once.

Mayweather has already shown that he's an otherworldly talent, knocking off everyone put in front of him across 5 weight classes (with likely success in a sixth if he pushed it; if he tried to fight at 168 and go 15 rounds in the throws of a Vegas summer (Sam Boyd) he might end up succumbing to exhaustion too.

Pacquiao was getting washed by no name guys before the mystery run.

Are you hinting at the possibility that floyd could make it at middleweight? Because theres someone there that would be more than glad to take his head off,and his initials are G.G.G

[-Kev-]

Eh,**** it. Keep bringing up the five losses,since it will only make if funnier to read the excuses that the floyd fans come up with,when floyd loses to a guy with 5 L's on his record.

If you change this to a scenario more believable like "Floyd's gonna get knocked down/get a tough fight" from a fighter with 5 losses. Then you would have a good post. But Pacquiao winning? I don't think so. I do admit that Pacquiao, because of Floyd's age and decline, will give him a tough fight. Actually, I prefer the fight happening now rather than 4-5 years ago, because 4-5 years ago the match up was absolutely boring to me and I didn't give Pacquiao the slightest chance. Now I think Pacquiao loses but with a very strong effort where he won't exactly look all that bad.

[mathed]

'Sugar' Ray Robinson fought for over 20 years as a pro, was 40-0 when he lost his first fight (to Jake LaMotta, another all-time great), which he immediately avenged, not losing another fight for 8 years (a fight he immediately avenged). Robinson's hit list is littered with a whos who of the top fighters at the time.

If you actually look at Robinson's losses, you'd know that near all of them happened while Robinson was on his way down, only resulting in him being stopped once.

Mayweather has already shown that he's an otherworldly talent, knocking off everyone put in front of him across 5 weight classes (with likely success in a sixth if he pushed it; if he tried to fight at 168 and go 15 rounds in the throws of a Vegas summer (Sam Boyd) he might end up succumbing to exhaustion too.

Pacquiao was getting washed by no name guys before the mystery run.

Please, dude forces catchweights, picks gloves, cheats weights, has already retired (what two times or just once)...and he isn't even at 48-0. "Otherworldy talent" you say? Come on, dude has had to struggle greatly just to get where he is while Calzaghe made it look easy.

And those losses to no name guys came when Pac was starving himself to make a weight that he had no business at and sending everything back home to support his family, the dude was dirt poor with no knowledge of health or fitness at all. That's far from the guy that Floyd will be stepping in the ring with in a few months.

[mike1010011]

If you change this to a scenario more believable like "Floyd's gonna get knocked down/get a tough fight" from a fighter with 5 losses. Then you would have a good post. But Pacquiao winning? I don't think so. I do admit that Pacquiao, because of Floyd's age and decline, will give him a tough fight. Actually, I prefer the fight happening now rather than 4-5 years ago, because 4-5 years ago the match up was absolutely boring to me and I didn't give Pacquiao the slightest chance. Now I think Pacquiao loses but with a very strong effort where he won't exactly look all that bad.

Im honestly suprised that you're not even entertaining the idea that pacquiao could win. You seem quite knowledgeable about the sport,so you should know that anything can happen during a fight. Both canelo and maidana got draws on one card against floyd,so who's to say that a fighter of pacquiaos caliber,who stands head and shoulder above both miadana and canelo put together,in terms of speed,experience,mobility,variety of attack,and stamina,wont do enought to take a close descision from floyd?

[-Kev-]

Im honestly suprised that you're not even entertaining the idea that pacquiao could win. You seem quite knowledgeable about the sport,so you should know that anything can happen during a fight. Both canelo and maidana got draws on one card against floyd,so who's to say that a fighter of pacquiaos caliber,who stands head and shoulder above both miadana and canelo put together,in terms of speed,experience,mobility,variety of attack,and stamina,wont do enought to take a close descision from floyd?

Actually, if you see my previous posts about this fight, I acknowledge that Floyd is old and if he loses it won't be a big deal to me. He's 38, I mean you gotta lose at one point as a boxer closing in on his 40s. Hopkins, Marquez, Johnson, Martinez, Vitali, Wlad are all great fighters in their own right who lost but still fought at an advanced age.

This was my answer to this thread:

Which fanbase will be more embarrassed if their guy loses?

Floyd is 38 years old. Pacquiao is 36. Both are past prime. Neither fanbase has anything to be embarrassed about.

[Dempsey-Roll]

Defeats is what made Pac great. He didn't quit. He got back up and made a come back.
Defeats doesn't make someone a loser.
Sure he got KTFO in the past, but he got right the **** back up and redeemed himself.

If Pac loses to Mayweather, it'll just be another loss. No biggie. His legacy is secured.
If Pac wins, it'll be the most epic thing to happen in boxing.
Imagine that? Getting KTFO a couple years ago, and then he fights floyd and he wins?
Thats a hollywood story right there.

[mike1010011]

Actually, if you see my previous posts about this fight, I acknowledge that Floyd is old and if he loses it won't be a big deal to me. He's 38, I mean you gotta lose at one point as a boxer closing in on his 40s. Hopkins, Marquez, Johnson, Martinez, Vitali, Wlad are all great fighters in their own right who lost but still fought at an advanced age.

This was my answer to this thread:

Fair enough answer. May the best man win