John Ruiz: "Juiceless Toney a Different Fighter "

[marvdave]

ey man u guys laught all u want but i think hes gotta point, toney was prolly the same weight against ruiz, he was a lot more active in the ruiz fight, vs rahman he fought like a fat pieace of ****, if there was a nice clean right hand in the fight he would have been down. ruiz has a point...

all this whining and such makes him sound like a chick. (no offense to my female bretheran )

[Bozo_no no]

ey man u guys laught all u want but i think hes gotta point, toney was prolly the same weight against ruiz, he was a lot more active in the ruiz fight, vs rahman he fought like a fat pieace of ****, if there was a nice clean right hand in the fight he would have been down. ruiz has a point...

Everytime you open your yap, you embarass yourself.

Toney threw well over the Heavyweight average in the Rahman fight. He threw more shots vs Rahman than he did vs Ruiz.

Pull your head out of your ass.

[Derranged]

What was Toney's unoffical weight in the Rahman fight??? I know it was 237 at the weight in

[superchamp]

ey man u guys laught all u want but i think hes gotta point, toney was prolly the same weight against ruiz, he was a lot more active in the ruiz fight, vs rahman he fought like a fat pieace of ****, if there was a nice clean right hand in the fight he would have been down. ruiz has a point...

what are you talking about.

Toney threw 200 more shots against Rahman than against Ruiz, landed with both hands, and was in better shape.

The Toney that showed up against Rahman would have schooled Ruiz even worse than their fight last april.

The only difference is that Rahman threw nearly 1000 punches, and Toney wasn't in as good of shape as he could have been to deal with it.

That being said, he still was at least as effective as Rahman in the fight, and the draw was justifiable, as would be a scorecard that had Toney winning by a point or two.

Just cause he wasn't at his best, doesn't mean that he didn't give as least as good as he got, it just means that he didn't school and dominate Rahman like he should have.

[jason100x]

It's just that Rahman showed up to fight more than Ruiz did in his fight with Toney.

[the_truth_1984]

It's highly unlikely that Toney not being on the juice is the reason that Rock beat him but was cheated out of a win but it does help make the case for Ruiz that the juice is the reason Toney beat him.

[Not Monty]

Hatred for Ruiz's fighting style and inabilty to see his weakness aside, the man has a point. It is a legit gripe if you got beat and your opponent was on the juice. Like any fighting man, that would make you want a rematch even more than a legit loss.

[SnoopySmurf]

you know he pisses me off. he is not a good fighter. like larry merchant said it looks like he bores his opponents to the point to where they just want to get out of the ring. like when he TKOed the rock i think the ref seen an opputunity to get the hell out of the ring and never ref another ruiz fight again.

Ruiz didn't TKO Rahman! He clinched him into submission and won by UD. Rahman barely got hit.

[Derranged]

Ruiz should fight Toney as soon as possible. If Ruiz truly believes what he said, then he should step up.

[SnoopySmurf]

Ruiz should fight Toney as soon as possible. If Ruiz truly believes what he said, then he should step up.

And lose again. Ruiz should be a wrestler.