Comments Thread For: Frampton-Avalos: Belt Before Championship

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by Cliff Rold - Chris Avalos could have challenged the best fighter at 122 lbs. for his title.

He could have challenged Guillermo Rigondeaux (15-0, 10 KO) for the WBA, WBO and lineal claim to the crown. Rigondeaux-Avalos made it to a purse bid last September. It was window dressing. That was never really going to be a thing.

Avalos (25-2, 19 KO) will probably lose to IBF titlist Carl Frampton (19-0, 13 KO) this weekend. Clearly, even on the road in Northern Ireland, Team Avalos saw this as the more winnable fight.

It is.

He wasn’t going to beat Rigondeaux.

And if he wins this weekend, he’ll take pride in the belt he has and call himself a World Champion.

No one else need follow suit.

No one else is champion at Jr. Featherweight without beating Rigondeaux.

For those who defend boxing’s preponderance of belts, this is a fight that argues against the position. It is a fight where less would be more. Belts provide economic incentive and security for their holders. They don’t go inherently towards merit. Due to the cost of multiple sanctioning fee unification bouts, they often deter clashes as much as help them.

At Flyweight right now, a generationally significant rematch between Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada might die on the vine because Estrada doesn’t have to chase Gonzalez’s title or revenge. He has two belts of his own. Marco Huck is on pace to set the record for title defenses at Cruiserweight. He’s never been in a unification match. In the 2000s, Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke tied for the consecutive defense mark at 168 lbs. while reigning at the same time. [Click Here To Read More]

[glenn mcrory]

Even the writers are typical, hipster Rigo slurpers.
He mentions Kovalev and Golovkin, two people he couldve done the same damn article about but no, He saw his chance to talk a wall of text professing his man-love for Rigondeaux and he took it.
So many divisions with real champions and the paper titlsts that inhabit them, yet the laughably terrible Super Bantamweight is the one that gets the article. Not transparent at all, Cliff Rold.
Oh and for the record, Roman is the one talking about moving up in weight and pricing himself ouf, not Estrada.

[f15bone]

Even the writers are typical, hipster Rigo slurpers.
He mentions Kovalev and Golovkin, two people he couldve done the same damn article about but no, He saw his chance to talk a wall of text professing his man-love for Rigondeaux and he took it.
So many divisions with real champions and the paper titlsts that inhabit them, yet the laughably terrible Super Bantamweight is the one that gets the article. Not transparent at all, Cliff Rold.
Oh and for the record, Roman is the one talking about moving up in weight and pricing himself ouf, not Estrada.

They just had the same article the other day with GGG being the focus...

[Aztekkas]

I agree with the fact that the sport has one too many belts rolling around but I won't discredit most champions and the hardships they endured to acquire them.

Example, Juan Francisco Estrada. I know it might seem bias but put everything to the side and judge both Roman's and Juan's resumes at 112 and answer me, who has the better resume? Remember, this isn't a question about their overall achievements or overall resume in the sport but I'm specifically talking about their accomplishments at the weight class they currently share the Champion status at.

Aside from Akira Yaegashi, Roman has done nothing at the weight class to garner him the label of "top dog". In fact, you can also argue that Amnat has a better resume than Roman at this point in the division as well. Sure he beat the WBC/Lineal Champion in Akira but that win alone doesn't trump Viloria(whom had finally unified straps at flyweight after quite some time), Segura on a comeback streak and an impressive contender in Milan Melindo. Now look at Amnat's resume that consists of Kazuto Ioka, Rocky Fuentes, McWilliams Arroyo and will be facing Zou Shiming here shortly. Can you honestly say or even suggest that these two men don't deserve their titles? That a few wins over fringe contenders and a single great win over Akira trumps all of their achievements at the division? I respectfully disagree.

Another thing you forgot to mention was the purses that Avalos was offered. If my memory serves me well Caribe Promotions offered a laughably low amount for the clash, a sum that Avalos did not hesitate to overlook and walked straight into the Frampton showdown as the rightful number one contender for the strap.

Is that ducking? No, it's looking out for your self interest and attempting to make the best out of what is given. Are you saying if Fighter A is offered a guaranteed ass whooping for peanuts and lint he should take it over honey and milk as well as a significantly higher possibility of pulling off the upset? In this materialistic world we currently live in, I doubt it.

Honestly, I doubt anyone would be happy in a hospital bed with a fist full of stale peanuts, a pocket full of lint and the "admiration" of a circle jerk showering him with praise for not being a "coward" on some online forum somewhere. Am I justifying Avalos' actions? No, but I am pointing a possible case behind his decision to challenge Frampton over RiGOD.

Now fighters the likes of Leo Santa Cruz are a completely different case. In fact, the WBC should be paying of the fans to even watch their "Champion" defend his title against former taco vendors and ceviche pushers. Seriously, the man goes from calling out Rigondeaux to pricing himself out and finally ditches GBP to hide behind the mysterious Haymon, all because he has a big mouth but no guts(I wonder how he eats).

Now, what's the difference between Avalos picking Frampton over Rigondeaux and Leo picking Orange vendors over the man of the hour? The fact that Avalos is actually the number one challenger for Frampton's strap, therefore he has a solid reason aside from the economics of the ordeal to actually turn down Rigondeaux and face Carl. Perhaps Frampton isn't the best Champion at 122 just yet, but give him time and I'm sure he'll take on the fearsome RIGOD himself in the not so distant future.

I guess at this point, after writing a full book on the topic.. what it boils down to is the fact that you can't neglect the idea of more then one legitimate champion per division. Is it right? No. However, do we have any other option as of right now? No. I sure hope the WBC and the other two sanctioning bodies keep their word and actually try to unify belts and consolidate one champion per division. Until then we have to live with the fact that each division may have several champions, but that doesn't mean they are not all worthy of their status.(edited:for the most part )

[glenn mcrory]

They just had the same article the other day with GGG being the focus...

That article was about Golovkin, title and content.
This is a Rigo worship article disguised as a Frampton-Avalos article.
Golovkins article also didnt belittle other fighters as much as this one did.

@Aztekkas
Romans entire resume consists of "guys who roman beat who went on to do something afterwards". Never mind the fact that Rodriguez was like 18,19 with like 7 fights when Roman fought him and went tooth and nail with Estrada in a fight where the scorecards, while for relatively unknown fighters, already had an undeniable bias. Take that away and he has the Takayama and at flyweight Yaegashi, who Guevara just beat, to relatively little fanfare compared to Roman.

[Aztekkas]

That article was about Golovkin, title and content.
This is a Rigo worship article disguised as a Frampton-Avalos article.
Golovkins article also didnt belittle other fighters as much as this one did.

@Aztekkas
Romans entire resume consists of "guys who roman beat who went on to do something afterwards". Never mind the fact that Rodriguez was like 18,19 with like 7 fights when Roman fought him and went tooth and nail with Estrada in a fight where the scorecards, while for relatively unknown fighters, already had an undeniable bias. Take that away and he has the Takayama and at flyweight Yaegashi, who Guevara just beat, to relatively little fanfare compared to Roman.

Pretty much.. but Roman, at least in my opinion, is an incredibly gifted and talented fighter in regards to his overall boxing abilities.

I simply boiled down his resume to his Flyweight accomplishments, which are extremely limited outside of Akira, and gave 2 cases that challenged the idea of "XXX champion sucks! YYYY is the REAL CHAMPION".

Frampton was recently crowned World Champion and is set to face off against his mandatory in Avalos, yet people discredit Frampton for not fighting Rigo yet, wtf? Sure there has been instances where a newly crowned Champion jumps straight into a unification bout in his next fight(Chihuas did it last year), but let's not forget the fact that Frampton has previously stated that he wants Quigg before Rigondeaux. Once that's out of the way I'm quite confident we will finally see Rigo against another talented fighter slug it out(not really) in the ring.

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Massive nuthugger article.


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[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why is this only applied to the Super Bantamweight division? This ****** idea that Rigondeaux is the only champion? He's the number 1 obviously and the lineal champ but there are other belts.

Frampton won a legitimate world title from a legitimate champion. It's not like he's Scott Quigg who was handed a fake WBA Belt. Or Robert "Interim Titles Count" Guerrero.

Also....Avalos took the Frampton fight because it paid more. Simple.

[killakali]

by Cliff Rold - Chris Avalos could have challenged the best fighter at 122 lbs. for his title.

He could have challenged Guillermo Rigondeaux (15-0, 10 KO) for the WBA, WBO and lineal claim to the crown. Rigondeaux-Avalos made it to a purse bid last September. It was window dressing. That was never really going to be a thing.

Avalos (25-2, 19 KO) will probably lose to IBF titlist Carl Frampton (19-0, 13 KO) this weekend. Clearly, even on the road in Northern Ireland, Team Avalos saw this as the more winnable fight.

It is.

He wasn’t going to beat Rigondeaux.

And if he wins this weekend, he’ll take pride in the belt he has and call himself a World Champion.

No one else need follow suit.

No one else is champion at Jr. Featherweight without beating Rigondeaux.

For those who defend boxing’s preponderance of belts, this is a fight that argues against the position. It is a fight where less would be more. Belts provide economic incentive and security for their holders. They don’t go inherently towards merit. Due to the cost of multiple sanctioning fee unification bouts, they often deter clashes as much as help them.

At Flyweight right now, a generationally significant rematch between Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada might die on the vine because Estrada doesn’t have to chase Gonzalez’s title or revenge. He has two belts of his own. Marco Huck is on pace to set the record for title defenses at Cruiserweight. He’s never been in a unification match. In the 2000s, Joe Calzaghe and Sven Ottke tied for the consecutive defense mark at 168 lbs. while reigning at the same time. [Click Here To Read More]

isn't that thumbnail a photo of Algieri?

[St. Johns Gent]

I agree with the fact that the sport has one too many belts rolling around but I won't discredit most champions and the hardships they endured to acquire them.

Example, Juan Francisco Estrada. I know it might seem bias but put everything to the side and judge both Roman's and Juan's resumes at 112 and answer me, who has the better resume? Remember, this isn't a question about their overall achievements or overall resume in the sport but I'm specifically talking about their accomplishments at the weight class they currently share the Champion status at.

Aside from Akira Yaegashi, Roman has done nothing at the weight class to garner him the label of "top dog". In fact, you can also argue that Amnat has a better resume than Roman at this point in the division as well. Sure he beat the WBC/Lineal Champion in Akira but that win alone doesn't trump Viloria(whom had finally unified straps at flyweight after quite some time), Segura on a comeback streak and an impressive contender in Milan Melindo. Now look at Amnat's resume that consists of Kazuto Ioka, Rocky Fuentes, McWilliams Arroyo and will be facing Zou Shiming here shortly. Can you honestly say or even suggest that these two men don't deserve their titles? That a few wins over fringe contenders and a single great win over Akira trumps all of their achievements at the division? I respectfully disagree.

Another thing you forgot to mention was the purses that Avalos was offered. If my memory serves me well Caribe Promotions offered a laughably low amount for the clash, a sum that Avalos did not hesitate to overlook and walked straight into the Frampton showdown as the rightful number one contender for the strap.

Is that ducking? No, it's looking out for your self interest and attempting to make the best out of what is given. Are you saying if Fighter A is offered a guaranteed ass whooping for peanuts and lint he should take it over honey and milk as well as a significantly higher possibility of pulling off the upset? In this materialistic world we currently live in, I doubt it.

Honestly, I doubt anyone would be happy in a hospital bed with a fist full of stale peanuts, a pocket full of lint and the "admiration" of a circle jerk showering him with praise for not being a "coward" on some online forum somewhere. Am I justifying Avalos' actions? No, but I am pointing a possible case behind his decision to challenge Frampton over RiGOD.

Now fighters the likes of Leo Santa Cruz are a completely different case. In fact, the WBC should be paying of the fans to even watch their "Champion" defend his title against former taco vendors and ceviche pushers. Seriously, the man goes from calling out Rigondeaux to pricing himself out and finally ditches GBP to hide behind the mysterious Haymon, all because he has a big mouth but no guts(I wonder how he eats).

Now, what's the difference between Avalos picking Frampton over Rigondeaux and Leo picking Orange vendors over the man of the hour? The fact that Avalos is actually the number one challenger for Frampton's strap, therefore he has a solid reason aside from the economics of the ordeal to actually turn down Rigondeaux and face Carl. Perhaps Frampton isn't the best Champion at 122 just yet, but give him time and I'm sure he'll take on the fearsome RIGOD himself in the not so distant future.

I guess at this point, after writing a full book on the topic.. what it boils down to is the fact that you can't neglect the idea of more then one legitimate champion per division. Is it right? No. However, do we have any other option as of right now? No. I sure hope the WBC and the other two sanctioning bodies keep their word and actually try to unify belts and consolidate one champion per division. Until then we have to live with the fact that each division may have several champions, but that doesn't mean they are not all worthy of their status.(edited:for the most part )

dude you are 100, didn't even read the whole thing but it pisses me off that Gallo Estrada doesn't get the recognition he deserves, taking in consideration he's beaten the best at 112 and is the only lineal champ, yet all these nut huggers on Gonzalez's sack put him in the top 10 p4p and he's hasn't done what Estrada has done at 112, what pisses me off even more is that mexican fans in the USA are all over Canelo's nuts and don't even know who the hell Estrada is, Canelo gets a bunch of attention but the real king of Mexican boxing is Gallo Estrada, the real King of 112