No drug testing kovalev-pascal

[bigjavi973]

Maybe what @jeanpascalchamp is really worried about is the CIR testing VADA do on EVERY sample collected

— pound4poundireland (@JeremyFoley) February 24, 2015

As far as I can tell, a @guruscience client has never done @VADA_testing, why?

— pound4poundireland (@JeremyFoley) February 24, 2015

[The Big Dunn]

Duva didn't put it in the contract because she's always maintained, long before Pascal, that drug testing should be up to the commission, and that when promoters get involved in hiring private companies things can get messy. Plus, god forbid someone comes up dirty, it's a big loss of money if the fight has to be cancelled.

It's not Duva's job to demand drug testing from the fighters, and that's always been her point. She's been consistent about that.

OK. she said-my fighter is the champ, I have the right to choose which agency. That's my problem with this.

If she doesn't want testing, fine. but you can't have it both ways IMO. You especially can't tell Pascal what he has to pay for.

Youre really straining to defend the indefensible. Being ok with testing is not the same as demanding it, esp after the contracts were signed. Kov is prepared to accommodate, Pascals turn.

No one is defending it, you just refuse to talk about it because it places blame on DUva, which is where it belongs. If Pascal doesn't ask, there would be no testing at all. That is a failure on her part, especially if what Freedom and other s are claiming is the reason Pascal doesn't want VADA.

Pascal called them out with his testing that he'll pass...duva then called him out with the one that actually catches people...pascal declined...whats so hard to understand brah? how is that not right ?

That's such a generalization dude.

It's not right because Duva omitted any testing from the beginning. She basically wants to dictate what type of testing will be done after the fact.

She specifically states she feels she has the right to choose the testing since her fight is the champ. OK, then make that choice when sending the contracts over.

I saw what NATAS posted so I have a better understanding of her position. But I still see it as something she should have been proactive about.

[The Big Dunn]

Duva should play the trump card:

Offer to pay for VADA for both fighters.

Then Pascal and Heredia will be doing some squirming!

yeah, she clearly didn't want to shell out the dough for her own fighter sowhy would she do that other than to save face.

That's the whole issue here-she wanted to be cheap and then pull the "kov's the champ our choice card".

GTFO!!

[Beater_of_ass]

I agree that Pascal looks like an idiot. It's not the first time that he's done this after the contracts have been signed.

I don't really get Duva's position though. It's like "OK we want to prove we're clean but only if someone else pays for it".

Her position is pretty simple actually. "It wasn't an issue before, but we'll do it if we take VADA testing." Pascal, who made it an issue said "No. Only this company, but I'll pay for it." Sorry, you don't get the benefit of the doubt because you're willing to get tested by certain people. I see nothing wrong with what Duva is doing.

@ Dunn -

The contract was signed with no testing protocol. It became an issue after the signing... Pascal had the issue with the testing, it's his job then to bring it up before signing the dotted line. Now, if Kathy wants to play hard ball (as she should as a promoter, especially when something is brought up after the fight is signed) is Pascal's problem. Not hers or Kovalev's, don't sign a fight before the testing issue is resolved.

[elgu]

Why is VADA better, because Duva says so? Is there any evidence WADA Pascal ahs been using is not good? The cost issue makes sense, that's even more reason for DUva to put it in prior, right?

I get your point, I just don't think its right for Duva to want to control the testing protocol when she didn't put any testing in the contract.

Only when Pascal brought it up did she say-hey my guy is the champ it my choice. SO she has both the right to not ask for testing, then choose the testing that will be done if the opponent requests testing.

Is that right?

Vada is better because they catch cheats. Go ask Morales, Berto, and PEDerson about it. Hell go ask Marquez who wouldn't face bradley unless the testing protocol wasn't VADA despite Bradley desperately wanting Vada. Marquez also declined a huge payday against pacquiao because he didn't want VADA, or was it because he wanted to keep the feeling, or was it because his right knee got hurt?(god knows what other excuse he comes up with next)

The point is simple VADA is cheaper and more reliable but a guy associated with Mr. Heredia wouldn't want that test method because he knows he'll get caught. If you can't see that i can't help you.

[ИATAS]

I agree that Pascal looks like an idiot. It's not the first time that he's done this after the contracts have been signed.

I don't really get Duva's position though. It's like "OK we want to prove we're clean but only if someone else pays for it".

Duva wasn't going to do it all unless she got the OK from her fighter. I guess Kovalev and/or his trainer wants VADA, so that's what she'll do. And only on Pascals offer that he would pay (it cost less to go with VADA anyways).

[Foreign Soil]

Take da TESS, Jean Luc Pascal. What are running from?

[Beater_of_ass]

Because there was never any agreement or talk of extra drug testing when they signed. Then, after the contracts have been signed, Pascal said he wants extra drug testing and that he'll pay for Kovalev's, he said if Kovalev has nothing to hide then he'll accept and that Kovavel looks very su****ious. Team Kovalev called his bluff and now Pascal is like "nah I'm good". They were pointing the PED finger accusing Kovalev, but when they took them up on his offer Pascal and his team refused to pay lol. Just further makes Pascal look like an idiot.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Her position is pretty simple actually. "It wasn't an issue before, but we'll do it if we take VADA testing." Pascal, who made it an issue said "No. Only this company, but I'll pay for it." Sorry, you don't get the benefit of the doubt because you're willing to get tested by certain people. I see nothing wrong with what Duva is doing.

Isn't that what Duva is saying too? They're only willing to do VADA. If it's not an issue for them, why do they care who does the testing?

If it is an issue, why can't she offer to pay for VADA herself or get Kovalev to?

[HeroBando]

OK. she said-my fighter is the champ, I have the right to choose which agency. That's my problem with this.

If she doesn't want testing, fine. but you can't have it both ways IMO. You especially can't tell Pascal what he has to pay for.



No one is defending it, you just refuse to talk about it because it places blame on DUva, which is where it belongs. If Pascal doesn't ask, there would be no testing at all. That is a failure on her part, especially if what Freedom and other s are claiming is the reason Pascal doesn't want VADA.



That's such a generalization dude.

It's not right because Duva omitted any testing from the beginning. She basically wants to dictate what type of testing will be done after the fact.

She specifically states she feels she has the right to choose the testing since her fight is the champ. OK, then make that choice when sending the contracts over.

I saw what NATAS posted so I have a better understanding of her position. But I still see it as something she should have been proactive about.

No, shes been consistent the whole time. Promoter/fighter contracted testing is a sham. But its magnanimous of them to agree to it even after the contracts are signed. So Pascal needs to reciprocate and compromise on test agency, esp since Vada is cheaper and more reputable as boxing goes