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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostIf Manny was so good at adapting to plans and coming up with strategies then he would have figured Marquez out like Marquez did to him. Marquez figured out and timed Pacquiao with a perfect counter punch then I'm banking on Floyd doing the same.
Because I am quite sure that blueprint will be use by Floyd too.
It is the FOOT STOMPING/FOOT TRIPPIMG Marquez employed/applied on Pac since Marquez vs Pac 3.
How will I know it is not accidental tripping or stomping or foot get entangled like some boxing trainer etc said it's just natural when a southpaw and a right handed fights?
There will be a lot of footage available everywhere on the internet with Floyd fighting southpaws. those will be my basis for this.
How many instances where Floyd's foot get tripped stomp or get entangled with say Zab, Corley, maybe also Guerrero.
Those fights would be enough for me to distinguished if there will be sudden increase of this tripping stomping or entanglement with Floyd against Pac.
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Originally posted by GRUSTLER View PostIf Manny was so good at adapting to plans and coming up with strategies then he would have figured Marquez out like Marquez did to him. Marquez figured out and timed Pacquiao with a perfect counter punch then I'm banking on Floyd doing the same.
Pacquiao fought 64 fights...how many fights did Mayweather "picked" to fight? If Mayweather chooses to fight that much, I am pretty sure someone would actually beat him and there were "questionable" decisions too in that "47" that he has.
For 64 fights of Pacquiao, winning 57 and you're saying that Manny cannot adapt...wow.
Every fighter has their "contra-pelo" - their nemesis, arch rival. Manny fought Marquez 4 times. He could have stopped after fight no.1. But they didn't.
Something Floyd hasn't done until Maidana. Had Mayweather ever fought Mosley in his young-er days (and say 4 times) I would absolutely say that Floyd would have lost at least 1 time there. How about Zab Judah? or even Margarito in his prime? or how about De la Hoya 2?
To me Floyd is oozing with skills, perhaps one of the greatest Defensive fighter of all time (maybe rivaling Whitaker and Pep). But he has relegated the sport of pugilism into mere prizefighting and pure business...as slap in the face of the sport.
No one can question Floyd's skills, techniques and prowess...No one (universally). But many can question his heart in the sport in providing real challenges beyond "cherry picking".
Pacquiao's skills (relatively) compared to Floyd's may impale. Obviously there are not two fighters alike like snowflakes. However Pacquiao also have arsenal that only Mayweather can dream of such as his combination punches and multi-angle-variations of it to combine with speed and strength with nimble footwork.
An argument that Floyd would say is: "I don't have to because I have superlative defense". Sure he doesn't need to punch more than his laser-like pot-shots, specifically his right crosses. But to say that Pacquiao cannot adapt or have problems adjusting is a farce.
Outside the ring, negotiations with Floyd showed Pacquiao's ability to adjust to get on with the fight. If I may interject even with the premise of yours that Mayweather is a supreme fighter that can adjust, outside the ring is a real egotistical and illogical in taking his purported "A side" of the deal.
If not for Les Moonves pressuring Mayweather (his boss) to fight or else...then this fight will not happen at all.
So Floyd "adjusted" after all - it's more like he was pressured to "adjust".Last edited by fabie; 02-22-2015, 10:14 AM.
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Originally posted by Szef View PostYou're in for a big surprise my friend.
I'm not saying Pac will win, but it won't be a usual "Guerrero" night for Floyd. Pacquiao is one of the best fighters of the last 20 years, and on May 2 Mayweather will find out why.
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Originally posted by Rath View PostI will tell you how Marquez figured out Pac and what adjustment he made.
Because I am quite sure that blueprint will be use by Floyd too.
It is the FOOT STOMPING/FOOT TRIPPIMG Marquez employed/applied on Pac since Marquez vs Pac 3.
How will I know it is not accidental tripping or stomping or foot get entangled like some boxing trainer etc said it's just natural when a southpaw and a right handed fights?
There will be a lot of footage available everywhere on the internet with Floyd fighting southpaws. those will be my basis for this.
How many instances where Floyd's foot get tripped stomp or get entangled with say Zab, Corley, maybe also Guerrero.
Those fights would be enough for me to distinguished if there will be sudden increase of this tripping stomping or entanglement with Floyd against Pac.
You heard it here on me first
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Originally posted by fabie View Postwon 57 (KO 38) + lost 5 (KO 3) + drawn 2 = 64
Pacquiao fought 64 fights...how many fights did Mayweather "picked" to fight? If Mayweather chooses to fight that much, I am pretty sure someone would actually beat him and there were "questionable" decisions too in that "47" that he has.
For 64 fights of Pacquiao, winning 57 and you're saying that Manny cannot adapt...wow.
Every fighter has their "contra-pelo" - their nemesis, arch rival. Manny fought Marquez 4 times. He could have stopped after fight no.1. But they didn't.
Something Floyd hasn't done until Maidana. Had Mayweather ever fought Mosley in his young-er days (and say 4 times) I would absolutely say that Floyd would have lost at least 1 time there. How about Zab Judah? or even Margarito in his prime? or how about De la Hoya 2?
To me Floyd is oozing with skills, perhaps one of the greatest Defensive fighter of all time (maybe rivaling Whitaker and Pep). But he has relegated the sport of pugilism into mere prizefighting and pure business...as slap in the face of the sport.
No one can question Floyd's skills, techniques and prowess...No one (universally). But many can question his heart in the sport in providing real challenges beyond "cherry picking".
Pacquiao's skills (relatively) compared to Floyd's may impale. Obviously there are not two fighters alike like snowflakes. However Pacquiao also have arsenal that only Mayweather can dream of such as his combination punches and multi-angle-variations of it to combine with speed and strength with nimble footwork.
An argument that Floyd would say is: "I don't have to because I have superlative defense". Sure he doesn't need to punch more than his laser-like pot-shots, specifically his right crosses. But to say that Pacquiao cannot adapt or have problems adjusting is a farce.
Outside the ring, negotiations with Floyd showed Pacquiao's ability to adjust to get on with the fight. If I may interject even with the premise of yours that Mayweather is a supreme fighter that can adjust, outside the ring is a real egotistical and illogical in taking his purported "A side" of the deal.
If not for Les Moonves pressuring Mayweather (his boss) to fight or else...then this fight will not happen at all.
So Floyd "adjusted" after all - it's more like he was pressured to "adjust".Last edited by GRUSTLER; 02-22-2015, 10:59 AM.
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Originally posted by Bald Shavers View PostThe fact is that Mayweather tried to wait Pacquiao out until Manny was just a ghost of his former self. But pressure from the promoters, networks, and the public forced him to fight Pac much earlier.
Mayweather should have waited another year before finally agreeing to sign the contract.
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Originally posted by D4thincarnation View PostNo, it quite simple easy. Judah would throw first and when he did, he had success.
Watch the first 4 rounds.
From your posts I can only assume, A you never saw the fight, or B you really don't understand boxing as well you say you do.
No wonder you have to listen for other people opinion.
You need to learn about this sport before posting a video of Floyd analyzing the first few rounds. Floyd is undefeated and the biggest PPV fighter for a reason and it's not because he can't read!!
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