Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[Doctor_Tenma]

that's wrong plan imo.

i know he does that against southpaws but pac is not zab/chop chop.

coming at pac, exchanging with pac.

that helps pac be in his element.

On May you'll see otherwise, trust. Those who have been trying it lately didn't have the arsenal that Mayweather brings up close, especially those short uppercuts in close.

[KoolAidMan]

walking down pac is not a good idea.

working on power will help in countering pac off though.

you have to make pac respect your power. when pac doesn't respect your power he comes hard.

gotta make pac think more.

I agree it's not, that's why i said walking Manny down spells trouble for Money May. I think the best strategy to date is still from JMM. He waited for a while took a beating and waited for the perfect opportunity to strike,, luckily for him Pacquiao became too confident and let his guard down. And Money is a tier level than Marquez both as a defender and counter puncher so if there's anyone who can replicate JMM's success in knocking Pacquiao down, it's him.


Personally, I do hope Floyd buys in all this pressure. He's on record saying "He'll beat Manny down" so his advantage is already marginalize as soon as he comes forward rather than playing it smart. But Floyd will be cautious, I expect him to duck, dodge, counter with laser precision.

[tredh]

there has and always will be weaknesses in pac's game.

technique is not his strength. aside from a very powerful punching form.

pac's strength are his speed and workrate and stamina.

if you want perfect mistake free technique you have to look for defensive cuties. an offensive high output fighter will make mistakes.

Not a knock but the bold is true we all know it. What you listed are strengths of Manny but the thing that got him past his weaknesses against those fighters was the fact the he was so much more athletic than his opponents.

The difference in athletic ability was so much that his opponents could not take advantage of weaknesses that they saw in Manny on tape.

IMO Marquez is a perfect example of it. With the technical skills and ring IQ Marquez has if he had just a bit more of the athletic ability that Manny has I don't think we would have had 4 fights out of them.

Truthfully Floyd is in the same boat as far as being way more athletic than his opponents. Some of the stuff Floyd does a less athletic person would have gotten caught doing many times over and probably KO'ed or at least knocked down a few times by now.

In the fight we are seeing 2 fighters close in athletic ability to me and IMO Floyd's ring IQ and technical skills is why he will win.

[Left Hook Tua]

On May you'll see otherwise, trust. Those who have been trying it lately didn't have the arsenal that Mayweather brings up close, especially those short uppercuts in close.

i hope you're right.

that plan is favorable to pac.

pac is at his most vulnerable when trying to start exchanges from to far away.

if floyd comes to him or at least meets him halfway, the odds for me goes from 2-1 floyd to 50/50.

[DARKSEID]

Don't be mad, bro. You got dat blueprint.

Little mini Oscar. I bet you're in fucking lingerie right now, fairy.

lol take your lame weak **** of here and go to a betting site. Nobody's trying to hear your boring, played out garbage, old man.

What are you going to do on may 2nd when Floyd does exactly what I said he would?

[Doctor_Tenma]

i hope you're right.

that plan is favorable to pac.

pac is at his most vulnerable when trying to start exchanges from to far away.

if floyd comes to him or at least meets him halfway, the odds for me goes from 2-1 floyd to 50/50.

Pacquiao looked visibly tired against Bradley in the rematch, a fighter who has to sell out to land respectable punches up close and doesn't even have Mayweather's arsenal up close. I don't see anything that suggests it'll prove favorable for Manny. It's important to break Pacquiao down a bit early to have a smoother second half.

[johnm is...]

lol take your lame weak **** of here and go to a betting site. Nobody's trying to hear your boring, played out garbage, old man.

What are you going to do on may 2nd when Floyd does exactly what I said he would?

Wait, is that supposed to be a knock on me?

"WHY DON'T YOU GO BET ON SOMETHING!?" Talk about weak.

I'll tell you what I'm gonna do if Mayweather wins. I'm gonna walk to the cashier at the Bellagio and cash a betting slip. And you're going to log onto boxingscene and post a thousand "I told you so's". Like you're the only one in the history of boxing predictions that thought Floyd would win by keeping distance.

But chew on this...

You knew that I'm a sportsbettor without me even addressing it. Do you know what I knew about you, before you so ignorantly suggested that you didn't want to "give away your blueprint", because you thought Mayweather would find it?

....not a goddamn thing.

[tredh]

It's one thing to have a plan to throw a lot of punches vs Floyd and another to do actually do it

Fighters' output decreases when they fight mayweather because they are in position to land, they get discouraged from missing and getting countered

But PAC has fast enough feet to be in position to throw. And when he's in his Floyd's pocket , manny can close the gap quickly and throw punches.

Whereas maidana would throw most his punches on the inside

If manny wins it will be because:

- early rounds he wins with activity. Floyd tries to get used to with pacquaios style And will wait until he slows down slightly.

- if Floyd is down on the cards, he will try holding the centre of the ring more and start throwing a variety of right hands- straight down the pipe and hooking it behind the jab to the body like he did vs Oscar. Manny likes to spin off to the opponents left and this is ideal vs Floyd because it will position him at an angle to hit Floyd with a straight left down the pipe once Floyd turns. And also, means that manny is moving away from the right hand. Manny can duck under the left hook as he spins off

I don't think Floyd waits for fighters to slow down. Floyds just uses the first 2-3 rounds to gauge timing and distance and once he has that he does his thing whether his opponent has slowed down or not.

Just the way I see it.

[IR0NFIST]

Sure, no problem. YOU were the one that said PAC was about to ko Marquez and he was basically out on his feet before PAC got knocked into an another dimension... So I simply stated that if any of those guys had Marquez in that kind of trouble they would finish him off. I don't believe Marquez was as "ready to go" as you claim he was to begin with anyway.

As far as Maidana/Khan had Cortez not involved himself as much as he did there might have been a different outcome but either way Khan showed some toughness.

But yea those guys I mentioned are much better finishers at 40 and up than PAC is and for whatever reason PAC couldn't finish a guy who supposedly was "about to get stopped" ... I believe they would've got the job done.

And by the way the other dude was right ... School is in session.

Much better finishers against low to mid-tier stepping stones that have already been stopped in the past means nothing. You're seriously discrediting Marquez's chin and pain threshold.

As I expected, your weak argument is merely anecdotal hearsay. Once again, you failed to provide any analytical data to back-up your claim, nothing but pure speculation and personal opinion. Fact: Nobody has stopped Marquez in all 64 of his fights.

On side note, can you reference the exact post where I stated that Pac was about to KO Marquez?

Class dismissed.

[IMDAZED]

i hope you're right.

that plan is favorable to pac.

pac is at his most vulnerable when trying to start exchanges from to far away.

if floyd comes to him or at least meets him halfway, the odds for me goes from 2-1 floyd to 50/50.

He's not going to meet him with his hands down and chin out. In fact, he's not going to meet him at all. He'll be coming forward using that jab to keep distance and also to pierce Pacquiao's head and body. Mayweather is defensively responsible no matter what he does.