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This started off as a reply to 2 other posters but I decided it needed its own thread. The Floyd/TMT/Haymon sycophants want us all to believe that Haymon is gonna start making good fights. "We only got Garcia-Salka because Al was running out guys contracts" ... etc, etc -- you guys know all the lines that are trotted out, I don't need to go through them.
Here's a post that illustrates my point:
^ If Webster's Unabridged Dictionary had an entry for Haymon knobslobbery, this guy's name, avvy, sig, and this post would appear there
Firstly, TR & GBP clearly are cooperating. Herrera-Benavides (though a mandatory) never had to get delayed & go to purse bids because GBP & TR came to terms. This never would have happened 2 years ago.
Second, Arum backing up Oscar's claims about how Cinco De Mayo weekend belongs to Mexicans -- that was a coordinated effort. Oscar put Canelo-Kirkland on that date and unless Floyd fights Pac (a TR fighter), then Floyd's PPV #s are gonna tank hard because fans, especially the all-important Mex-Am demographic, are going to watch Canelo for free, save $70, and catch a replay of Floyd-Cotto II on regular Showtime in a few days if they don't find one on YT first. Because we all know how that **** turns out anyway.
Making more TR-GBP fights will happen in time but Oscar and Bob have clearly joined forces fighting the Haymon war machine.
I'm happy Haymon is trying to bring boxing back to network TV but don't kid yourself, it's not going to be some return to the 1950's where the best fought the best 3 and 4 times on free television. We'll be lucky to see that happen once.
Oscar tried to make a meaningful fight for Quacka Cruz and what happened? "Help me Seņor Haymon, por favor" and of course Al did. Same **** when Stevenson was gonna have to face Kovalev. Same thing when Bob was guaranteeing a minimum of nearly $20 million for Chavez's next 3 fights, including $8 million for fighting Golovkin. We all were practically salivating for the action that fight would give us. Who killed that fight? You guessed it, Al Haymon.
Al Haymon hates good fights, and even when he sets up half-decent ones, there's always BS involved: Garcia-Peterson is now a 10-round fight at 143 with no titles at stake so as to ensure that when Garcia (likely) wins, then moves up and vacates, 2 belts won't go vacant, only 1 will, and 1 belt will be guaranteed to stay in the Haymon stable because Peterson can't lose it.
The only fight I'll actually give credit for is Thurman-Guerrero, but that's 1 good fight. The last good one I remember him making was Garcia-Matthysse but he made that using Floyd's PPV money. That wasn't Haymon ponying up the cash (or his investors' cash) to make it happen as will be required by the terms of this NBC deal.
Ultimately, we have the following basis to go on:
The notorious "output deal" days before HBO ousted Haymon's ass when freaking Andre Berto was getting millions to fight wasters for vacant titles in front of 800 person crowds (and in the process eating up HBO's entire budget so that they couldn't purchase meaningful fights).
A 2013 whose decency as a year for Haymon boxing is at least 75% attributable to the Garcia-Matthysse fight (Al is still dining out on that 1 fight 18 months later)
A 2014 that was perhaps the worst in boxing mostly because he signed a bunch of fighters and fed them all crap, and got them all overpaid by Showtime for these sparring sessions (once again eating up another network's budget and precluding said network from purchasing good, meaningful fights). And then the kicker is he stabbed Showtime in the back. They don't even have anything on the schedule for 2015 because the halfway decent fights are all going to NBC.
Oh, but we're getting Thurman Guerrero now, so it's a new day. Everything Haymon gives fans from now on will be great. Really. Just forget the last 5 years happened.
^ Another moron
The guy who was keeping GBP & TR from working together was Schaefer -- remember him? The guy who teamed up with Haymon to try and rob GBP company of its assets (by not keeping any fighters under contract) so they could deliberately devalue it then buy the company themselves at a bargain-basement price.
Now that Al's butt-buddy Schaefer is gone, TR & GBP cooperation is not an issue (see explanation above).
Here's one for you: Make a list of the promoters TR has made fights with (I'll help: DiBella, Banner Promotions, SMS promotions, K2 promtions, Main Events, Don King -- his sworn enemy for decades -- Matchroom, Frank Warren)
Now make a list of all the promoters (besides Schaefer-era GBP) that Haymon has worked with. Now make a list of all the promoters Al Haymon looks to be making fights with in the future. It may take you awhile but I'll wait
The Haymon plan has 100% to do with monopoly and control and 0% to do with empowering fighters or making great fights. It's that simple.
Here's a post that illustrates my point:
^ If Webster's Unabridged Dictionary had an entry for Haymon knobslobbery, this guy's name, avvy, sig, and this post would appear there
Firstly, TR & GBP clearly are cooperating. Herrera-Benavides (though a mandatory) never had to get delayed & go to purse bids because GBP & TR came to terms. This never would have happened 2 years ago.
Second, Arum backing up Oscar's claims about how Cinco De Mayo weekend belongs to Mexicans -- that was a coordinated effort. Oscar put Canelo-Kirkland on that date and unless Floyd fights Pac (a TR fighter), then Floyd's PPV #s are gonna tank hard because fans, especially the all-important Mex-Am demographic, are going to watch Canelo for free, save $70, and catch a replay of Floyd-Cotto II on regular Showtime in a few days if they don't find one on YT first. Because we all know how that **** turns out anyway.
Making more TR-GBP fights will happen in time but Oscar and Bob have clearly joined forces fighting the Haymon war machine.
I'm happy Haymon is trying to bring boxing back to network TV but don't kid yourself, it's not going to be some return to the 1950's where the best fought the best 3 and 4 times on free television. We'll be lucky to see that happen once.
Oscar tried to make a meaningful fight for Quacka Cruz and what happened? "Help me Seņor Haymon, por favor" and of course Al did. Same **** when Stevenson was gonna have to face Kovalev. Same thing when Bob was guaranteeing a minimum of nearly $20 million for Chavez's next 3 fights, including $8 million for fighting Golovkin. We all were practically salivating for the action that fight would give us. Who killed that fight? You guessed it, Al Haymon.
Al Haymon hates good fights, and even when he sets up half-decent ones, there's always BS involved: Garcia-Peterson is now a 10-round fight at 143 with no titles at stake so as to ensure that when Garcia (likely) wins, then moves up and vacates, 2 belts won't go vacant, only 1 will, and 1 belt will be guaranteed to stay in the Haymon stable because Peterson can't lose it.
The only fight I'll actually give credit for is Thurman-Guerrero, but that's 1 good fight. The last good one I remember him making was Garcia-Matthysse but he made that using Floyd's PPV money. That wasn't Haymon ponying up the cash (or his investors' cash) to make it happen as will be required by the terms of this NBC deal.
Ultimately, we have the following basis to go on:
The notorious "output deal" days before HBO ousted Haymon's ass when freaking Andre Berto was getting millions to fight wasters for vacant titles in front of 800 person crowds (and in the process eating up HBO's entire budget so that they couldn't purchase meaningful fights).
A 2013 whose decency as a year for Haymon boxing is at least 75% attributable to the Garcia-Matthysse fight (Al is still dining out on that 1 fight 18 months later)
A 2014 that was perhaps the worst in boxing mostly because he signed a bunch of fighters and fed them all crap, and got them all overpaid by Showtime for these sparring sessions (once again eating up another network's budget and precluding said network from purchasing good, meaningful fights). And then the kicker is he stabbed Showtime in the back. They don't even have anything on the schedule for 2015 because the halfway decent fights are all going to NBC.
Oh, but we're getting Thurman Guerrero now, so it's a new day. Everything Haymon gives fans from now on will be great. Really. Just forget the last 5 years happened.
^ Another moron
The guy who was keeping GBP & TR from working together was Schaefer -- remember him? The guy who teamed up with Haymon to try and rob GBP company of its assets (by not keeping any fighters under contract) so they could deliberately devalue it then buy the company themselves at a bargain-basement price.
Now that Al's butt-buddy Schaefer is gone, TR & GBP cooperation is not an issue (see explanation above).
Here's one for you: Make a list of the promoters TR has made fights with (I'll help: DiBella, Banner Promotions, SMS promotions, K2 promtions, Main Events, Don King -- his sworn enemy for decades -- Matchroom, Frank Warren)
Now make a list of all the promoters (besides Schaefer-era GBP) that Haymon has worked with. Now make a list of all the promoters Al Haymon looks to be making fights with in the future. It may take you awhile but I'll wait
The Haymon plan has 100% to do with monopoly and control and 0% to do with empowering fighters or making great fights. It's that simple.
wtf? There is absolutely no need for such thing in a sport that is so wide and deep with talent. He is cutting his hand short by attempting to embargo his fighters living in Haymonia...
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