What makes for ATG longevity or peak dominance

[Mr.Fantastic]

Color, flag, fantasy fights, and hype.

[IMDAZED]

Combination of both but ultimately, it's about who you beat, WHEN you beat them and who you lost to. Or else someone like Salvador Sanchez gets heavily penalized.

[Philantro]

To be an ATG you must have challenged yourself many times against the best opposition at the time, and that means the greatest in form fighters. Winning over famous fighters after they have past their primes counts for less.

Ducking the best at your own weight-classes means that you are probably not an ATG, and this will be counted in as a negative.

The more weight-classes you have cleaned out the better, and the more hall of famers at their peak you have fought the better.

Longevity at dominating one weight-class counts if all up-and-comers are fought, but if opposition at the weight-class is limited it is especially rewarded if you move up in weight to challenge the best at higher weight-classes.

How fights have been won also counts. Fights won over top competition in an impressive way counts for more. Knockouts count high, and a dominating decision win counts more than a split decision win.

Style is also counted in. Fighters who are more aggressively-minded have generally much shorter careers than defensively-minded fighters. Therefore defensively-minded fighters must normally have longer careers to be considered an ATG, while aggressively-minded fighters must normally have more knockouts to be considered an ATG.

If fights have been won because of bias judging the official win doesn't count as an ATG win.

Winning is not always necessary to get extra ATG points because great challenges count in themselves as positive, for example B-Hop's fight against Kovalev. So losing is not always a negative, but normally a loss requires a win in a rematch to settle the score and wipe out any negativity counted in towards ATG. However, a loss after moving up in weight-class to challenge another champion, is not necessarily a negative.

To answer your question so is longevity normally compared to knockouts, because as an ATG you should normally have either knockouts or longevity, and both counts for more. Peak performance is a must for all ATGs, and dominance depends on the level of opposition.


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[SlySlickSmooth]

Probably "peak dominance"

But longevity coupled with winning ways can really put you up in the rankings if the opposition is still elite/world level.

[Francis M.]

RJJ and Hopkins comes to mind.....

RJJ was unstoppable for a decade but hop is just defying age and is getting extra credit for being competitive at 50..

[Weltschmerz]

Obviously both.

[JimEarl]

I can't honestly choose from those two choices as one might or might not surpass the other depending on circumstances.

Not getting hit too much in out-and-out wars when you're young and a style that conserves energy are what it takes for longevity at this, imo.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Having a 3 incher and paying 8 whores to live with you. That's when you've reached the top my friend.

[jas]

longevity

It's why Hopkins is higher than Tyson in the ATG lists

Hopkins was p4p number 1 but Tyson dominated in a more impactful way