Bad decision? Yes, but it doesn't change anything.

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  • AintGottaClue
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    #1

    Bad decision? Yes, but it doesn't change anything.

    Toney OWNED ruiz and ruiz clearly beat rahman, did toneys steroids help him that much or is rahm,an the ultimate streaky fighter who can beat alot of people but lose to anybody? or is toney just finally starting to slow down
  • TonyRingside
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    #2
    well, styles make fights, but i wouldn't be surprised if the 37 year old toney is slowing down.

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    • TyrantT316
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      #3
      It is painfully obvious that Toney has slowed down...no need to even question that...it was apparent from ROUND 1...

      what kept him in the fight was the simple fact that he IS James Toney (confidence, relaxation, skill, chin, experience, etc)...

      but I feel he was outworked

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      • Run
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        #4
        Originally posted by SturmRules
        Toney OWNED ruiz and ruiz clearly beat rahman,
        Still following the triangle logic?

        dude....that's fifth grade material right there. Styles make fights, and that's all there is to it.



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        • ZOSOOSOZ
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          #5
          A 220 lb (or lighter) Toney beats Rahman by Decision.

          Unfortunately, the 237 lb Toney was exhausted very early in the fight.

          Basically, I credit Rahman for getting in tremendous shape and utilizing the jab; however, despite all his efforts, I feel that a more fit Toney would have defeated him.

          But, Toney killed himself this fight; he needed to be in better condition and weigh less.

          So, I think it was a combination of both Rahman's execution and preparation and Toney's lack of fitness that led to the result we saw tonight.

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          • mECHsLAVE
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            #6
            Bad decision? Yes, but it doesn't change anything.

            Toney should retire.

            Rock has to now fight Maskaev. Toney shouldn't have even been allowed this shot, since Maskaev had already won an eliminator. So now it is Rock-Maskaev. So Toney is shut out of the WBC belt for now.

            Wlad-Byrd winner easily beats James, and he knows it. So not only should he stay away from this belt, but he has not earned a shot at it, just like he didn't rightfully earn a shot at the WBC belt. So no IBF belt for him.

            No WBA belt for him since he's banned by them for 2 years for using steroids.

            So he's left to try and fight contenders, and most top contenders will own him if that's the best shape he'll come in at. And that includes Brewster, who has a new confidence and snap to his punches that Toney wants nothing to do with, I'm sure. So forget the WBO belt.

            Toney made a smart run at HW, picking and choosing fighters he thought he could beat. But I think the public has finally seen his limitations fighting a true, strong HW, even one that looked mediocre.

            The HW division should move on as though the correct decision was announced instead of a draw.

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            • Bozo_no no
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              #7
              Rock's broke, and money talks. He'd make more money fighting Toney again than he would fighting Maskaev.

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              • Brz_Pugilist
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                #8
                Why dont we just put all these pretenders in the ring and blow up the heavyweight division along with the fighters , thats how much the dvision sucks now!

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                • Chups
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                  #9
                  Somehow I'm glad it was a draw. Boxing needs James Toney.

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                  • TheEvilSaint
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bozo_no no
                    Rock's broke, and money talks. He'd make more money fighting Toney again than he would fighting Maskaev.
                    but the WBC stated that maskaev would fight the winner of toney/rahman. so it'll either be toney/rahman 2 for not title cuz the WBC would probly strip rahman OR rahman/maskaev 2 which along with many will not watch or be intrested in.

                    nothing good comes out of this draw.

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