Comments Thread For: Pascal Won't Pay For VADA, Team Kovalev Claim PR Stunt

[ИATAS]

None of Heredia's fighters have used USADA or VADA. Keep in mind, it doesn't matter, because both organisations just take samples and send it to the exact same lab for results. Even Duva knows this...

They aren't really the same. VADA is more thorough because they do Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) testing on all fighters. Other groups, such as USADA, only do CIR testing if there is some sort of su****ion.

"The recent positive tests for synthetic, or artificial, testosterone in professional and elite sports demonstrate that it is a problem at the highest levels of sport,�" said Dr. Goodman, President of VADA. �"Clearly, some athletes are choosing to use the substance because they know it is not tested for upfront. It�***8217;s long past time that the CIR test was used across the board to test for synthetic testosterone.�"

In nearly all sports today, the CIR test is only used when testers suspect from other indicators a presence of synthetic testosterone. As a result, athletes and trainers who understand the limitations of this testing can �"microdose�" with synthetic testosterone in order to avoid triggering a CIR test. In the late 1990s, a number of brilliant anti�]doping scientists.some of whom later acted as consultants to VADA.collaborated to develop a better way to detect doping with testosterone by using isotope ratio mass spectrometry (IRMS). The CIR/IRMS method is considered a superior, highly reliable test that culminates in measuring isotope ratios to determine whether testosterone is produced naturally or artificially.


http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...-isotope-ratio

[umop-ap!sdn]

Lets play the devils advocate for a second. I don`t believe for a second that Pascal and his people are that ******. What if this was a very sly way for Pascal to get Kovalev to show his hand. Him calling Kov out was going to get one of two results. Either he would say no which would prove that he is hiding something, or he would say yes which would give Pascal the peace of mind that he is not juicing and in he same stride get him to take the testing to reassure all of that and put his worries to rest.

Many of you keep saying, why did he not ask for it before the fight or get it in the contract etc, well Kov is the champ and calling the champ out for being a cheat during the negotiations is not exactly the best way to close the deal. What if they decided to not bring it up initially in negotiations than once the fight is signed, backdoor him with the random testing issue.

Think about it.. Many of you even say you predicted this was going to happen once Pascal made his claim, so do you all really think you are geniuses and that nobody in Pascals camp possibly thought of the same reaction.. Just saying, you never know, can`t take everything at face value.

[ИATAS]

Lets play the devils advocate for a second. I don`t believe for a second that Pascal and his people are that ******. What if this was a very sly way for Pascal to get Kovalev to show his hand. Him calling Kov out was going to get one of two results. Either he would say no which would prove that he is hiding something, or he would say yes which would give Pascal the peace of mind that he is not juicing and in he same stride get him to take the testing to reassure all of that and put his worries to rest.

Many of you keep saying, why did he not ask for it before the fight or get it in the contract etc, well Kov is the champ and calling the champ out for being a cheat during the negotiations is not exactly the best way to close the deal. What if they decided to not bring it up initially in negotiations than once the fight is signed, backdoor him with the random testing issue.

Think about it.. Many of you even say you predicted this was going to happen once Pascal made his claim, so do you all really think you are geniuses and that nobody in Pascals camp possibly thought of the same reaction.. Just saying, you never know, can`t take everything at face value.

Well did these smart people on his team also realize it would backfire and actually make Pascal look like the su****ious one?

[Foreign Soil]

Pascal is with Heredia, who doesn't do VADA testing.

"What if this was a very sly way for Pascal to get Kovalev to show his hand. Him calling Kov out was going to get one of two results. Either he would say no which would prove that he is hiding something,"

How would saying no really prove anything? Pascal just said no after accusing Kovalev - that has red flag written all over it. And assuming that was the plan, then wouldn't that be considered a PR stunt?

"he would say yes which would give Pascal the peace of mind that he is not juicing and in he same stride get him to take the testing to reassure all of that and put his worries to rest."

What if Kovalev is juicing and his team knew Pascal would decline VADA? They aren't testing, Pascal just ducked it. It's a PR stunt gone wrong. They tried to cherry pick a moment to create a false flag. Cherry pick gone wrong.

[Weebler I]

Pascal looks like an idiot now.

All this talk about drug testing and he doesn't want to pay the cheapest fee with the most reputable agency.

[radioraheem]

They aren't really the same. VADA is more thorough because they do Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) testing on all fighters. Other groups, such as USADA, only do CIR testing if there is some sort of su****ion.

"The recent positive tests for synthetic, or artificial, testosterone in professional and elite sports demonstrate that it is a problem at the highest levels of sport,�" said Dr. Goodman, President of VADA. �"Clearly, some athletes are choosing to use the substance because they know it is not tested for upfront. It�***8217;s long past time that the CIR test was used across the board to test for synthetic testosterone.�"

In nearly all sports today, the CIR test is only used when testers suspect from other indicators a presence of synthetic testosterone. As a result, athletes and trainers who understand the limitations of this testing can �"microdose�" with synthetic testosterone in order to avoid triggering a CIR test. In the late 1990s, a number of brilliant anti�]doping scientists.some of whom later acted as consultants to VADA.collaborated to develop a better way to detect doping with testosterone by using isotope ratio mass spectrometry (IRMS). The CIR/IRMS method is considered a superior, highly reliable test that culminates in measuring isotope ratios to determine whether testosterone is produced naturally or artificially.


http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...-isotope-ratio

Both USADA and VADA use CIR. USADA publicly debunked the rumor, started by Victor Conte, that they don't use CIR. In Mayweather vs. Cotto for example, each sample was tested using CIR.

Again, what people fail to realise is that both USADA and VADA send samples to the same UCLA lab for results. So there is essentially no difference in testing. The only difference is in how each organisation collects samples and the price they charge.

[BattlingNelson]

Why doesn't Pascal just accept the VADA thing? It's a win-win. We get random testing and its handled by the best and its cheaper.

[jas]

I think kova is clean but

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=660585

That article says drug cheating is rampant in Russia

But kova is now based in America

[Weebler I]

I think kova is clean but

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=660585

That article says drug cheating is rampant in Russia

But kova is now based in America

Not sure that really helps, drug cheating is pretty rampant in the US boxing if you go by the failed tests.

[IMDAZED]

They aren't really the same. VADA is more thorough because they do Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) testing on all fighters. Other groups, such as USADA, only do CIR testing if there is some sort of su****ion.

"The recent positive tests for synthetic, or artificial, testosterone in professional and elite sports demonstrate that it is a problem at the highest levels of sport,�" said Dr. Goodman, President of VADA. �"Clearly, some athletes are choosing to use the substance because they know it is not tested for upfront. It�***8217;s long past time that the CIR test was used across the board to test for synthetic testosterone.�"

In nearly all sports today, the CIR test is only used when testers suspect from other indicators a presence of synthetic testosterone. As a result, athletes and trainers who understand the limitations of this testing can �"microdose�" with synthetic testosterone in order to avoid triggering a CIR test. In the late 1990s, a number of brilliant anti�]doping scientists.some of whom later acted as consultants to VADA.collaborated to develop a better way to detect doping with testosterone by using isotope ratio mass spectrometry (IRMS). The CIR/IRMS method is considered a superior, highly reliable test that culminates in measuring isotope ratios to determine whether testosterone is produced naturally or artificially.


http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...-isotope-ratio

USADA does CIR period. I think Tygart has debunked this multiple times.