Comments Thread For: Roach Admits Pacquiao's "Plan B" Options Are Limited

[gamesworn]

Arum is a major block to Pac-Mayweather but Haymon is a serious block to a LOT of other good fights.

This again. Read more in Main Pay-Mac Thread so that you can learn who is the one creating roadblocks.

[Bronx2245]

Does Quillin and Stevenson, ring any bells to you?

Does Al Haymon allow himself to get interview? no. It's hard to trust a man like that.

And at times, Oscar is talking **** too. It's hard to know, which is true or not.


Al Haymon is the one trying to control boxing. He is collecting more fighters to control the game. He is protecting his fighters to maintain their value.

Arum is evil but Al Haymon is different kind of evil too.

I still have a hope for Al Haymon, but to say that its Arum fault why so many fights is not happening is ridiculous (especially this year).

Haymon had an awesome 2013, and a horrible 2014, and I blame that on the break-up at GBP (Oscar & Schafer). However, as I pointed out, when he does want to match up his fighters with Arum's, it's on Arum to produce for his fighters. Manny's options are limited without Haymon, but if Haymon is willing to give Pac a fight with Danny Garcia, it's on Arum to come through. We know Haymon is trying to monopolize the game, but the fighters chose Haymon voluntarily. The question is why? It must be something they see as beneficial. Why are so many Arum fighters in legal limbo, or left his stable (Oscar, Floyd, Cotto, Rigo, Chavez Jr., Mikey Garcia, etc.)? I don't see Haymon as a different kind of evil...YET. However, the rise of Al Haymon is a direct reflection of the treatment these fighters have received by other promoters/managers.

[Bronx2245]

Wow so many dumb/immature flowmos here. After lurking on this site day after day, still they can't understand who is one blocking the fights(It's Al Haymon). He is the reason why so many fights is not happening.

Do you think Hearn wants to let his top WW (Kell) against Pac now? Hearn wants Kell to fight Khan first.

Is Canelo can weight 150? He can't , then this fight won't ever happen.(He can't even catchweight to 152 in his Floyd Fight).

Terrence needs a decent win in jr. WW before fighting Pac.

Chavez obviously lost to Bradley. Do you want Pac to Fight this guy? no. Then move on.

Isnt' Mathysse and Khan still signed with Al Haymon as adviser? Again It won't happen

Mayweather has all the option in Al Haymon Stable and he chose to fight MAidana not once but twice. How is that for cherrypicking?

December 16, 2014:

"At first I thought Pacquiao beating Algieri didn't fool anybody, but I think I was wrong. You'd think that the lousy PPV numbers would suggest that the public knew it wasn't much of a fight. And that winning a decision, when he really needed a knockout, and didn't get it over a novice wouldn't restore the public's sense that Pacquiao is now a killer again. But apparently it has?

I tried to explain before the bout how Pacquiao-Algieri was specifically made to create the illusion that Manny is back now and is as good as and smarter than ever. And you know what? Based on what's scoured in the sports section of many newspapers and on the Internet, they were more successful than I thought they'd be. Because it seems Manny went from being the prohibitive underdog when matched up with Mayweather after being knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez two years ago, to now being almost even money based on him taking Chris Algieri to boxing school last month.

Based on the consensus, Pacquiao gets some breaks that Mayweather would never get in the eyes of the boxing public. And since 2009 I've maintained and have been consistent that Mayweather-Pacquiao hasn't happened because of Mayweather's reluctance more so than Pacquiao's. Ever since the talk of them fighting each other became a hot topic, it's been mostly because of Floyd why it didn't happen. And I still stand by that.

But what's fair is fair… I wonder how well Mayweather would've been received if he signed to fight Algieri and beat him as handily as Pacquiao did?

For starters, Floyd would've been excoriated by both boxing fans and the media for fighting a no hope opponent like Chris Algieri. Leading up to the fight we would've read about how Algieri barely beat Ruslan Provodnikov and the fight is just another hoax by Mayweather to pocket $30 million and avoid fighting Pacquiao.

Let us suppose that it was Mayweather who peppered Algieri for 36 uninterrupted minutes on November 23rd instead of Pacquiao, which of course isn't much of reach. What would the post-fight chatter be? I can only speculate, but I'd be willing to bet that the loudest voices wouldn't be declaring that Floyd is back and is as sharp as ever. Nor would the talk be centered on how quick and accurate he is and how impossible it is to lay a glove on, and you know I'm right. I think it would be more on the lines of, "Mayweather fought Algieri because he knew he couldn't lose and how it says nothing as to how great he still is because he handled a beginner like Algieri." And then every name fighter campaigning between 140-147 who was more deserving and dangerous than Algieri would be named and suggested as that's who Floyd should've fought instead. And if that were the case, they'd be correct.

So why does Pacquiao get a pass?

For more than a decade critics and fans have ripped Mayweather up and down, and rightfully so, for being too judicious and fighting no hope opponents who resembled Algieri. Or to put it another way, for fighting and defending his titles against opponents who didn't have tool-one to beat him with. The opponents he fought were either too old or too green (like Algieri), or they just didn't have the skill or power (like Algieri) to concern Mayweather in the least.

I can't envision a case being made on Mayweather's behalf suggesting or reinforcing that he could beat Pacquiao based on how Floyd performed against Algieri had they fought. All that would be repeated over and over to rebuke that is, Algieri is inexperienced and Mayweather only did what he should've done against a limited opponent at the most elite level in professional boxing. And that's all that Pacquiao did! And actually, Manny underperformed because he didn't get the stoppage or come close to the first round kayo that his trainer Freddie Roach predicted he would score.

The overreaction to Pacquiao's showing against Algieri is ridiculous."

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/19980-mayweather-wouldnt-get-props-for-beating-algieri-like-pacquiao-did

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Haymon had an awesome 2013, and a horrible 2014, and I blame that on the break-up at GBP (Oscar & Schafer).However, as I pointed out, when he does want to match up his fighters with Arum's, it's on Arum to produce for his fighters. Manny's options are limited without Haymon, but if Haymon is willing to give Pac a fight with Danny Garcia, it's on Arum to come through. We know Haymon is trying to monopolize the game, but the fighters chose Haymon voluntarily. The question is why? It must be something they see as beneficial. Why are so many Arum fighters in legal limbo, or left his stable (Oscar, Floyd, Cotto, Rigo, Chavez Jr., Mikey Garcia, etc.)? I don't see Haymon as a different kind of evil...YET. However, the rise of Al Haymon is a direct reflection of the treatment these fighters have received by other promoters/managers.

I know that Arum is a bad for fighters, but still he gave big fights for us.

Al Haymon is still to shady for me to trust him now but i still have hope for him.

I don't know how Haymon can get that huge money in his fighters. Maybe he is super rich or in his business partners.

If Mayweather is his main source, then I want to see what will happen to his fighter if Mayweather Retire.

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December 16, 2014:

"At first I thought Pacquiao beating Algieri didn't fool anybody, but I think I was wrong. You'd think that the lousy PPV numbers would suggest that the public knew it wasn't much of a fight. And that winning a decision, when he really needed a knockout, and didn't get it over a novice wouldn't restore the public's sense that Pacquiao is now a killer again. But apparently it has?

I tried to explain before the bout how Pacquiao-Algieri was specifically made to create the illusion that Manny is back now and is as good as and smarter than ever. And you know what? Based on what's scoured in the sports section of many newspapers and on the Internet, they were more successful than I thought they'd be. Because it seems Manny went from being the prohibitive underdog when matched up with Mayweather after being knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez two years ago, to now being almost even money based on him taking Chris Algieri to boxing school last month.

Based on the consensus, Pacquiao gets some breaks that Mayweather would never get in the eyes of the boxing public. And since 2009 I've maintained and have been consistent that Mayweather-Pacquiao hasn't happened because of Mayweather's reluctance more so than Pacquiao's. Ever since the talk of them fighting each other became a hot topic, it's been mostly because of Floyd why it didn't happen. And I still stand by that.

But what's fair is fair… I wonder how well Mayweather would've been received if he signed to fight Algieri and beat him as handily as Pacquiao did?

For starters, Floyd would've been excoriated by both boxing fans and the media for fighting a no hope opponent like Chris Algieri. Leading up to the fight we would've read about how Algieri barely beat Ruslan Provodnikov and the fight is just another hoax by Mayweather to pocket $30 million and avoid fighting Pacquiao.

Let us suppose that it was Mayweather who peppered Algieri for 36 uninterrupted minutes on November 23rd instead of Pacquiao, which of course isn't much of reach. What would the post-fight chatter be? I can only speculate, but I'd be willing to bet that the loudest voices wouldn't be declaring that Floyd is back and is as sharp as ever. Nor would the talk be centered on how quick and accurate he is and how impossible it is to lay a glove on, and you know I'm right. I think it would be more on the lines of, "Mayweather fought Algieri because he knew he couldn't lose and how it says nothing as to how great he still is because he handled a beginner like Algieri." And then every name fighter campaigning between 140-147 who was more deserving and dangerous than Algieri would be named and suggested as that's who Floyd should've fought instead. And if that were the case, they'd be correct.

So why does Pacquiao get a pass?

For more than a decade critics and fans have ripped Mayweather up and down, and rightfully so, for being too judicious and fighting no hope opponents who resembled Algieri. Or to put it another way, for fighting and defending his titles against opponents who didn't have tool-one to beat him with. The opponents he fought were either too old or too green (like Algieri), or they just didn't have the skill or power (like Algieri) to concern Mayweather in the least.

I can't envision a case being made on Mayweather's behalf suggesting or reinforcing that he could beat Pacquiao based on how Floyd performed against Algieri had they fought. All that would be repeated over and over to rebuke that is, Algieri is inexperienced and Mayweather only did what he should've done against a limited opponent at the most elite level in professional boxing. And that's all that Pacquiao did! And actually, Manny underperformed because he didn't get the stoppage or come close to the first round kayo that his trainer Freddie Roach predicted he would score.

The overreaction to Pacquiao's showing against Algieri is ridiculous."

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...e-pacquiao-did

I already list the name of his possible fights why it can't happen and add Al Haymon fighters too that. Then Pac option limited.

You already said that Pacquiao option is limited without Al Haymon.

I don't know what is you agenda here, But I ask this Why did he fought Maidana Twice? Even though Maidana had some success against Floyd in their first fight, Maidana clearly lost that fight. Why Floyd fought Maidana again instead of Khan. I'm not saying Khan will defeat Floyd. But as a boxing fan, I want him to take a different kind of challenge.

Tbf, Algieri is actually good on paper. He is a different kind of fighter that Pacquiao fought. He can outbox you and potshot his way to win in UD (Like Floyd). Some people here in nsb wants to know how Pacquiao can handle those kind of fighter. And he did very well that he makes Algieri look like a bum. Algieri is not a bum but he is not that great either in my opinion. He is pretty good boxer that can give a lot of trouble in other fighters in his weight class.

[Bronx2245]

I already list the name of his possible fights why it can't happen and add Al Haymon fighters too that. Then Pac option limited.

You already said that Pacquiao option is limited without Al Haymon.

I don't know what is you agenda here, But I ask this Why did he fought Maidana Twice? Even though Maidana had some success against Floyd in their first fight, Maidana clearly lost that fight. Why Floyd fought Maidana again instead of Khan. I'm not saying Khan will defeat Floyd. But as a boxing fan, I want him to take a different kind of challenge.

Tbf, Algieri is actually good on paper. He is a different kind of fighter that Pacquiao fought. He can outbox you and potshot his way to win in UD (Like Floyd). Some people here in nsb wants to know how Pacquiao can handle those kind of fighter. And he did very well that he makes Algieri look like a bum. Algieri is not a bum but he is not that great either in my opinion. He is pretty good boxer that can give a lot of trouble in other fighters in his weight class.

I had Floyd beating Maidana 7-5 (in the 1st fight), but many here on BS thought Floyd actually lost the fight. Khan could not fight Floyd in September because of his religious practices. Even though Maidana was beaten by Khan @ 140, Maidana was the WBA Welterweight Champion when Floyd fought him, and Khan still doesn't have a title @ WW. Although I want to see Floyd vs. Khan (or Manny vs. Khan) I think it went the way it is supposed to be...Champs should fight the Champs in their weight class.

[gamesworn]

Haymon had an awesome 2013, and a horrible 2014, and I blame that on the break-up at GBP (Oscar & Schafer). However, as I pointed out, when he does want to match up his fighters with Arum's, it's on Arum to produce for his fighters. Manny's options are limited without Haymon, but if Haymon is willing to give Pac a fight with Danny Garcia, it's on Arum to come through. We know Haymon is trying to monopolize the game, but the fighters chose Haymon voluntarily. The question is why? It must be something they see as beneficial. Why are so many Arum fighters in legal limbo, or left his stable (Oscar, Floyd, Cotto, Rigo, Chavez Jr., Mikey Garcia, etc.)? I don't see Haymon as a different kind of evil...YET. However, the rise of Al Haymon is a direct reflection of the treatment these fighters have received by other promoters/managers.

This why Pac-Algieri kind of fights is happening

This why Pacquiao is not getting all the bs in media about being cherrypicker.He fought who is there fight and available.

This why so many potential fights is not happeing for Pacquiao (Pac vs Khan, Danny, Mathysse, Thurman, MAidana etc.)

[MPX309]

Why Floyd fought Maidana again instead of Khan.

Khan was on Ramadan

[gamesworn]

I had Floyd beating Maidana 7-5 (in the 1st fight), but many here on BS thought Floyd actually lost the fight. Khan could not fight Floyd in September because of his religious practices. Even though Maidana was beaten by Khan @ 140, Maidana was the WBA Welterweight Champion when Floyd fought him, and Khan still doesn't have a title @ WW. Although I want to see Floyd vs. Khan (or Manny vs. Khan) I think it went the way it is supposed to be...Champs should fight the Champs in their weight class.

Ok, I made a mistake here and forgot Khan's religion. But still he can fight other fighter instead of Maidana again.

Anyway, i hope May-Pac happens so that we can know who is the best in this era.

[Bronx2245]

This why Pac-Algieri kind of fights is happening

This why Pacquiao is not getting all the bs in media about being cherrypicker.He fought who is there fight and available.

This why so many potential fights is not happeing for Pacquiao (Pac vs Khan, Danny, Mathysse, Thurman, MAidana etc.)

I just showed you what Oscar said about Pac vs. Garcia. If you think Oscar is full of ****, then I accept that, but don't come back on here later and say Oscar said this or that when it's negative about Floyd. By the way, Manny knew what position he would be in when he re-signed with TR, so some of this falls on him too.