Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin is Not PPV, I'd Need a KO To Beat Ward

[Boxing Goat]

Hey Carl. If first you don't succeed, try, try again.

[Real Talk85]

Why don't you stop flip flopping and make up your own damn mind? In one post you say Golovkin should stay in his place and clear out his division, and in this post you say he can't expect anything by beating the fighters in his division.

That would require you to not irrationally hate on Golovkin though, so no luck there.

Still don't hate him and you are still dumb.

I said he can't expect to beat a bunch of c level fighters and start calling out established A level fighters.

Then on a entirely different response I said he can't say he will fight anyone from 160-168 then flip flop when someone accepts his challenge and say he wants to clean out his division.

And yes he needs to pick one, beat out his division or look for big fights wherever he can get them and right now there is only one elite fighter that will give him the time of day and GGG wants none of it. So he should stop talking and stay in his division, clean it out then move up. If you can't understand that then too bad.

[Eastcoast]

Chavez does huge gates and good ppv. He also brings in tons of ad revenue from Mexican and American tv because of all the Mexicans that watch him.

It's why people like Cotto still make big money even if tiger ppv doesn't do to great they make the money back everywhere else.

You can tell which fighters bring in the dough. Wladomir. And Floyd have effectively cornered their market's, one in las Vegas and the other in Germany( all of Germany).

They move merchandise, local ad revenue, not to mention whatever sponsorship deals they may have.

GGG is trying to negotiate at a level he is nowhere near and probably won't be. He is 33. I think he is the next Glenn Johnson to be honest.

Chavez is a good attraction, but he's not a great ppv attraction in the states.
Chavez has only ever done one ppv (unless you're counting the Latin Fury ones and those were really small).

Chavez-Vera II (San Antonio) 7,000 attendance, 1.5mill views on HBO
Chavez-Vera I (Stub Hub) 4,137 (sold), 1.4mill views on HBO

http://mmapayout.com/2014/03/close-t...-vera-rematch/

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...1105--box.html

[SeekDaGreat]

I agree with Cobra now, at this stage in his career Ward is not a good fight for him. Chavez Jr. Is a great fight for him. No one wants to see him in with Ward running and landing here and there. GTFOH!

[Real Talk85]

What the **** do you think Golovkin is doing? Are you so determined to hate that you don't realize he's doing EXACTLY what you say he should do, and has been for years? FFS.

Your so dumb it makes my teeth hurt. At this same point in his career Froch was scraping for fights with anyone and everyone in his division. He didn't care who, he beat all the scrubs he could and moved on to contenders and then when he was done with them he moved on to the gate keepers, the Glen Johnson's and then up another tier to the Jean Pascals and then up to the Wards, Abrahams and Kesslers. He didn't jump line he waited his turn and earned his way up.


GGG beat Curtis Stevens and then started calling out future hall of fame fighters. Even before he was a contender he was calling out Sergio Martinez for his belt! Who just shows up and before they are even ranked claims a lineal champ is ducking you? After Macklin did they try and go after the other belts....nope! They tried yet again to fight Chavez at 168 then when that couldn't happen ran from ward and said they wanted to unify only to try and get another fight at 168 with Froch.

So genius tell me how he is trying to do the same thing? Tell me how GGG is not trying to get big names after he has accomplished no more than any other CONTENDER at his weight?

Even in getting beat from pillar to post by Cotto Sergio Martinez is the most accomplished middleweight, so how GGG thinks he can make star demands is beyond me.

[Ravens Fan]

Why does anyone believe that Junior vs anyone is PPV material? From what I understand Junior vs Vera didn't even do huge numbers in that Northern section of Mexico that we know as Texas. I also wouldn't pay for it and I am a huge boxing fan. But I sill hope it happens and I hope that Froch knocks the snot out of Junior.

[HeroBando]

Your so dumb it makes my teeth hurt. At this same point in his career Froch was scraping for fights with anyone and everyone in his division. He didn't care who, he beat all the scrubs he could and moved on to contenders and then when he was done with them he moved on to the gate keepers, the Glen Johnson's and then up another tier to the Jean Pascals and then up to the Wards, Abrahams and Kesslers. He didn't jump line he waited his turn and earned his way up.


GGG beat Curtis Stevens and then started calling out future hall of fame fighters. Even before he was a contender he was calling out Sergio Martinez for his belt! Who just shows up and before they are even ranked claims a lineal champ is ducking you? After Macklin did they try and go after the other belts....nope! They tried yet again to fight Chavez at 168 then when that couldn't happen ran from ward and said they wanted to unify only to try and get another fight at 168 with Froch.

So genius tell me how he is trying to do the same thing? Tell me how GGG is not trying to get big names after he has accomplished no more than any other CONTENDER at his weight?

Even in getting beat from pillar to post by Cotto Sergio Martinez is the most accomplished middleweight, so how GGG thinks he can make star demands is beyond me.

He is/was #1 contender and now peoples champ at MW. As such he has a mandate at Cotto, or Martinez at the time, or Canelo if he becomes lineal, fcukhead.

He also has a ton of momentum, showing up in p4p lists, being voted Foty by Ring readers, having thousands of Mexicans scream his name. He should fight contenders lolol. Fcuking moron

[Real Talk85]

We live in an era where hype trumps accomplishment.

We now have guys like kovalev who can challenge legit belt holders without havhaving to do anything. Regardless that Stevenson got his belt by going through the rankss and through the champs.

We now have GGG who is calling out stars, legitimate a level comp after accomplishing nothing at all.

It seems we didn't learn our lesson with Jeff lacey and Lucian Bute.

Maybe after these two people will smarten up.

[bojangles1987]

Your so dumb it makes my teeth hurt. At this same point in his career Froch was scraping for fights with anyone and everyone in his division. He didn't care who, he beat all the scrubs he could and moved on to contenders and then when he was done with them he moved on to the gate keepers, the Glen Johnson's and then up another tier to the Jean Pascals and then up to the Wards, Abrahams and Kesslers. He didn't jump line he waited his turn and earned his way up.


GGG beat Curtis Stevens and then started calling out future hall of fame fighters. Even before he was a contender he was calling out Sergio Martinez for his belt! Who just shows up and before they are even ranked claims a lineal champ is ducking you? After Macklin did they try and go after the other belts....nope! They tried yet again to fight Chavez at 168 then when that couldn't happen ran from ward and said they wanted to unify only to try and get another fight at 168 with Froch.

So genius tell me how he is trying to do the same thing? Tell me how GGG is not trying to get big names after he has accomplished no more than any other CONTENDER at his weight?

Even in getting beat from pillar to post by Cotto Sergio Martinez is the most accomplished middleweight, so how GGG thinks he can make star demands is beyond me.

He fought Glen Johnson after Pascal and Kessler and Abraham. How exactly did he work his way from the Glen Johnsons to the Pascals and Kesslers and Abrahams again? You know what Froch did before he'd beaten any of these guys, too? He called out Joe Calzaghe. He was some nobody calling out the best fighter in his division without proving anything. What a scumbag.

And before he was even ranked? Gennady Golovkin had a belt when he fought Stevens. He'd been a world champion for like 2 years. He had beaten Macklin already. He tried to fight anyone and everyone at MW and was told no. He went after every beltholder, not just Martinez. He did exactly what you're saying he didn't do. He still is.

You literally don't have any idea what you're talking about. I'm not even sure you knew who Gennady Golovkin was before 3 months ago or something. I'm not sure you know who he is right now. Judging by your knowledge of his career, I'd guess you don't.

[Real Talk85]

[QUOTE=HeroBando;15268733]He is/was #1 contender and now peoples champ at MW. As such he has a mandate at Cotto, or Martinez at the time, or Canelo if he becomes lineal, fcukhead.

He also has a ton of momentum, showing up in p4p lists, being voted Foty by Ring readers, having thousands of Mexicans scream his name. He should fight contenders lolol. Fcuking moron[/QUOte

Go back and read what you just posted. Fact check then slap yourself.