Comments Thread For: Froch: Golovkin is Not PPV, I'd Need a KO To Beat Ward

[Real Talk85]

Froch is 37 and came up from bottom barrel to fight everyone in his divdivision. He never whined about not getting fights. He took on everyone until he made it to the top. He doesn't owe GGG a thing. Nor does any elite fighter.

GGG needs to stay in his lane beat out his division like he said he wants to and stop acting like he is a star. There are plenty contenders at his weight. Fight them, then move up or shut up.

[Real Talk85]

Did Chavez when he fought Martinez. .. Hell no he didnt. I'm far from a huge Golovkin fan but he has much more star potential than Chavez, Froch, Ward and pretty much everyone from middleweight to super-middleweight

Golovkins drawing power is nothing compared to the people you listed. Chavez alone does better than Ward and Froch combined. What drugs are you on?

[big_james10]

I know but I think the wrong people have got in his ear. Eddie was happy to shell him out to Bute, knowing he was in a win/win situation, Froch winning elevated him into stardom in the UK, leading to Kessler II and Groves I/II.

Eddie has since been aligning Froch for big money fight after big money fight and Jr is simply next in line. There was a time when Froch burned with a desire to beat Ward, for months after their first match up he called Ward out and Ward just declined but now Froch believes he should only be in it for the money and wants little risk/big reward, then again, with the 6-7 years he's had, I don't blame him.

Froch has paid his dues. He has fought and beaten or competitively lost to the best fighters in and around his division. He has fought in half-filled arenas against C-level fighters, in huge stadiums in his opponent's home country and on PPV. He has earned the right to demand the biggest fights with the biggest amount of money involved. He has a good promoter who is looking out for his interests and he doesn't have to settle for the Algieris' and Rios' of the boxing world.

GGG is 33 years old and has fought nothing but soup cans in his entire career. Now, he thinks that because he KOs all the soup cans and gets a lot of attention on boxing message boards, he deserves a shot at the top two or three PPV caliber fighters (Cotto and Mayweather) in the world. He is wrong. He has been well-protected in his career and has done nothing to earn the right to fight for the big money against PPV-level talent.

[yoz]

Froch is 37 and came up from bottom barrel to fight everyone in his divdivision. He never whined about not getting fights. He took on everyone until he made it to the top. He doesn't owe GGG a thing. Nor does any elite fighter.

GGG needs to stay in his lane beat out his division like he said he wants to and stop acting like he is a star. There are plenty contenders at his weight. Fight them, then move up or shut up.

Spot on, man.

[The Noose]

SMFH!

I really like Froch, but when he was a minnow he was calling out Calzaghe.
Was Groves a PPV fighter?

There is no question GGG would be a huge fight. Bigger than Chavez.

Doesnt make sense what he says to me.

[Real Talk85]

I don't actually disagree with the first two paragraphs.

You're right Froch has no obligations to anyone but himself and his family and does not have to adhere to any advisor in control of his career,he has built his own empire,on credible wins and close and competive til the end losses.

Their aren't many bigger fans of Sergio on the site than myself,I never felt GGG had earned or was due a shot at Sergio,and I recognised it really wouldn't have been the fight it could have been after the Murray loss,Sergio was way past his prime,his body was shot and holding him back at that stage.

Refer back to my comment on page four regarding Abel and the Kazakh.

I do feel GGG is on the periphery of a big fight and is deserving of a title shot at 160-168,though I do not expect to see him move up now Ward is back in acition.he really has **** himself in the foot.

Am I trash talking Froch,or are you implying GGG trash talks his potential opponents ? I felt I was on,y expressing an opinion,a valid one at that taking all into account.

No we are saying the same thing more or less. I am more aggressive in my explanations, which can be misread as bias.

This is not about liking GGG because I do. It's about just do. GGG has been a pro for nine years. Nine years man, now consider what all the fighters that GGG is calling out have done with their careers in nine years. Floyd, Froch, Martinez, even Chavez, and canelo, by comparison make GGG look lazy.

For GGG to think he can beat the mid level fighters in his division and call out guys that at the same point in their careers had accomplished twice as much is ludicrous.

Camelot is 25 and has fought more legit fighters at his weight than GGG has at his and he is 30+ years old.

What's worse is that he sabatoged his rise by stating he will fight anyone from 160-168 and then making excuses not to pursue the one elite fighter that wants to fight him in Ward. He can't keep flip flopping claiming he will fight whoever than backtracking and saying he wants to clean out his division.

Pick one , do it, build your stock then play with the big boys. Because at this moment he doesn't bring enough to be throwing around challenge a like that.

[Eastcoast]

I can't see a Froch-Chavez ppv selling all that well. Even at his peak, Chavez vs Martinez didn't do that great (~450k). Now Chavez is far less popular and somewhat exposed as a subpar fighter. Meanwhile how popular is Froch in the US? His fight with Ward had way under a million views and he hasn't been featured in US primetime since. I think that proposed ppv bombs.


He's right though, Golovkin can't sell a US ppv yet, he needs a major name to bring him up to that level. Maybe Hopkins in May, but even then I don't think he's going to be popular enough to do a ppv.

[bojangles1987]

Froch is 37 and came up from bottom barrel to fight everyone in his divdivision. He never whined about not getting fights. He took on everyone until he made it to the top. He doesn't owe GGG a thing. Nor does any elite fighter.

GGG needs to stay in his lane beat out his division like he said he wants to and stop acting like he is a star. There are plenty contenders at his weight. Fight them, then move up or shut up.

What the **** do you think Golovkin is doing? Are you so determined to hate that you don't realize he's doing EXACTLY what you say he should do, and has been for years? FFS.

[bojangles1987]

No we are saying the same thing more or less. I am more aggressive in my explanations, which can be misread as bias.

This is not about liking GGG because I do. It's about just do. GGG has been a pro for nine years. Nine years man, now consider what all the fighters that GGG is calling out have done with their careers in nine years. Floyd, Froch, Martinez, even Chavez, and canelo, by comparison make GGG look lazy.

For GGG to think he can beat the mid level fighters in his division and call out guys that at the same point in their careers had accomplished twice as much is ludicrous.

Camelot is 25 and has fought more legit fighters at his weight than GGG has at his and he is 30+ years old.

What's worse is that he sabatoged his rise by stating he will fight anyone from 160-168 and then making excuses not to pursue the one elite fighter that wants to fight him in Ward. He can't keep flip flopping claiming he will fight whoever than backtracking and saying he wants to clean out his division.

Pick one , do it, build your stock then play with the big boys. Because at this moment he doesn't bring enough to be throwing around challenge a like that.

Why don't you stop flip flopping and make up your own damn mind? In one post you say Golovkin should stay in his place and clear out his division, and in this post you say he can't expect anything by beating the fighters in his division.

That would require you to not irrationally hate on Golovkin though, so no luck there.

[Real Talk85]

I can't see a Froch-Chavez ppv selling all that well. Even at his peak, Chavez vs Martinez didn't do that great (~450k). Now Chavez is far less popular and somewhat exposed as a subpar fighter. Meanwhile how popular is Froch in the US? His fight with Ward had way under a million views and he hasn't been featured in US primetime since. I think that proposed ppv bombs.


He's right though, Golovkin can't sell a US ppv yet, he needs a major name to bring him up to that level. Maybe Hopkins in May, but even then I don't think he's going to be popular enough to do a ppv.

Chavez does huge gates and good ppv. He also brings in tons of ad revenue from Mexican and American tv because of all the Mexicans that watch him.

It's why people like Cotto still make big money even if tiger ppv doesn't do to great they make the money back everywhere else.

You can tell which fighters bring in the dough. Wladomir. And Floyd have effectively cornered their market's, one in las Vegas and the other in Germany( all of Germany).

They move merchandise, local ad revenue, not to mention whatever sponsorship deals they may have.

GGG is trying to negotiate at a level he is nowhere near and probably won't be. He is 33. I think he is the next Glenn Johnson to be honest.