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  • Bolopunch68
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    #31
    Look, Manny's style of fighting is different from Floyd. Floyd can fight bigger guys with shorter reach, and slower than him, there's a reason for it. he can pot shot his way into a UD or MD. Whereas Manny is a come forward whirlwind type a guy. He don't normally circles around his opponent, so fighting bigger guys is more difficult for him. So, is May better than PAC cause he fought bigger guys? Perhaps. Can Manny fight bigger guys and win? Probably not especially at this stage of his career. Can Floyd beat PAC if ever they fight? I have my own doubt about it cause if it's so easy? He would have fought and beat him long time ago.

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    • Reloaded
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      #32
      Originally posted by texasboi15
      I been kinda aching for Pac/Canelo too on the low I ain't gon lie.

      I remember Manny used to be on Floyd's tail beating the same fighters he beat but in more dramatic fashion.
      Would love to see Pacquio face Saul and Maidana.
      Beating the same name fighters but under vastly inferior conditions .

      Manny will not fight Canelo , he wont even fight a top real WW and they are all calling him out , he wouldnt even fight Cotto without draining him again and he already beat him , calling Cotto out and then dictating a draining CW again and then running away when Cotto said no CW is de****able and Manny gets a free pass for it .

      Manny will not fight a real risk you got Vargas next which after Rios Bradley and Algieri , one decent fighter in 4 is a joke .

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      • texasboi15
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        #33
        Originally posted by Reloaded
        Beating the same name fighters but under vastly inferior conditions .

        Manny will not fight Canelo , he wont even fight a top real WW and they are all calling him out , he wouldnt even fight Cotto without draining him again and he already beat him , calling Cotto out and then dictating a draining CW again and then running away when Cotto said no CW is de****able and Manny gets a free pass for it .

        Manny will not fight a real risk you got Vargas next which after Rios Bradley and Algieri , one decent fighter in 4 is a joke .
        This is true..very true.

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        • HeroBando
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          #34
          Originally posted by texasboi15
          This is true..very true.
          Lol youre backing up that idiot. Thats not true dumba$$, Cotto doesnt think CWs are de****able, he asked Pac for 150 first. Reposting for your education:

          Cotto is such a weasel. Pac indeed didnt want to go above 147, then Cotto taunted him into offering 150:
          WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto is counting the numbers on the check. Puerto Rico's biggest star told Raul Alzaga that his final decision, regardi


          Then passed when offer came cause he didnt like CWs lol. Thats 1 year after demanding to defend his 154 belt at 150 vs one eyed noncontender Marg. And of course his MW campaign is all CW

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            #35
            Originally posted by HeroBando
            Lol youre backing up that idiot. Thats not true dumba$$, Cotto doesnt think CWs are de****able, he asked Pac for 150 first. Reposting for your education:

            Cotto is such a weasel. Pac indeed didnt want to go above 147, then Cotto taunted him into offering 150:
            WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto is counting the numbers on the check. Puerto Rico's biggest star told Raul Alzaga that his final decision, regardi


            Then passed when offer came cause he didnt like CWs lol. Thats 1 year after demanding to defend his 154 belt at 150 vs one eyed noncontender Marg. And of course his MW campaign is all CW
            I'm not sure that you are totally accurate:

            October 5, 2012

            Why would Cotto pick Trout (25-0, 14 KOs), a good fighter with a belt but a virtual unknown, over Pacquiao, the global star? What gives?

            Money and weight is what gives.

            For the 2009 fight, Cotto's deal with Top Rank called for a guaranteed $6.5 million purse, plus a share of the pay-per-view profits. During the Sergio Martinez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. promotion last month, Arum told boxing reporters that he offered Cotto $13 million for the Pacquiao rematch and estimated that with strong pay-per-view sales Cotto could earn another $2 million from his share of the profits.

            Arum said that when Cotto turned it down, he and Pacquiao went with Marquez for Pacquiao's next fight, just one week after Cotto's.

            Cotto vigorously disputed Arum's claim.

            "The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

            Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

            "Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

            "Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."

            Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

            For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

            "If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

            Miguel Cotto doesn't duck anyone, but he won't lay down to make a fight, either. The Puerto Rican star says short money and a catchweight demand kept him from accepting a Manny Pacquiao rematch.

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              #36
              It really feels agenda driven by Haymon

              Haymon wants Mayweather-Cotto but the public doesn't. He's trying to get his fighters to start hyping this fight.... this is really getting pathetic

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                #37
                Pacquiao is in a lose-lose situation if he faces Canelo

                It would have to happen at a catchweight because of the sheer size difference between the two and all the Pac haters including Floyd will say Pac beat Canelo at a catchweight

                If not that, then people will say Pac beat another Mayweather leftover

                How can you win with this crap?

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                • Doctor_Tenma
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                  #38
                  This tells me Mayweather is aiming for Cotto, incase the Pacquiao fight doesn't go through. Chavez Jr. wouldn't say something like this out of the blue.

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                    #39
                    This tells me that Mayweather and Haymon are going to duck Pacquiao again and aim for a riskless fight. This is a huge slap in the face for all the boxing fans and I hope everyone boycotts this ****.
                    Last edited by Pu·gi·list; 01-05-2015, 07:39 PM.

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                    • HeroBando
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bronx2245
                      I'm not sure that you are totally accurate:

                      October 5, 2012

                      Why would Cotto pick Trout (25-0, 14 KOs), a good fighter with a belt but a virtual unknown, over Pacquiao, the global star? What gives?

                      Money and weight is what gives.

                      For the 2009 fight, Cotto's deal with Top Rank called for a guaranteed $6.5 million purse, plus a share of the pay-per-view profits. During the Sergio Martinez-Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. promotion last month, Arum told boxing reporters that he offered Cotto $13 million for the Pacquiao rematch and estimated that with strong pay-per-view sales Cotto could earn another $2 million from his share of the profits.

                      Arum said that when Cotto turned it down, he and Pacquiao went with Marquez for Pacquiao's next fight, just one week after Cotto's.

                      Cotto vigorously disputed Arum's claim.

                      "The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

                      Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

                      "Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

                      "Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."

                      Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

                      For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

                      "If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

                      http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...rematch-boxing
                      Why are you posting this? This was posted by the guy i responded to, why i called Cotto a weasel and a hypocrite. Timeline:

                      1. Cotto demands to defend his 154 belt vs Marg at 150, with 160 rehydration limit
                      2. 6 months later he taunts Pac cause he fought Marg at 150, but didnt offer it to Cotto. See link above
                      3. Offer made for 150, suddenly Cotto despises CWs
                      4. Wins LINEAL mw belt at a cw he demanded. Next fight will also be a cw

                      Also funny you bolded him complaining about Pacs purse offer, when he went on to get humiliated by Trout for 1m guarantee lol

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