Better amateur Lomachenko-Rigo

[SonOfCuba]

Yes visolki had his number but when they start it to send Milian to face the russian it was all over for him, Milian kicked the crap out of him...

Right on point with this. Visolki definitely had his number, but Milian had his.

[1g5a22]

there is not a amateur boxing expert in the world who would have picked Lomachenko as a favorite over Rigondeaux either in 2008 or 2012.

You're not exactly coming at this from the most objective point of view considering your user name... Now give me one of these experts who considered the fight & categorically picked Rigo?! Not some randomer... A genuine amateur boxing connoisseur who is well regarded & well known & who picked Rigo to beat Loma in 08 or 12? How arrogant you are...

There is no great gulf in talent between the two at all... To suggest otherwise is dumb! Both were incredibly special! Who gives a **** if he never took a seat?! LOL What does that prove... Here's a more impressive & relevant stat:

Lomachenko beat his five opponents by an astonishing 58-13 on the way to his first olympic gold medal! Did Rigo do that? No. Did Rigo win a VB trophy? No. Did Rigo lose more than Lomachenko? Yes.

The competition he fought @ the Olympics ( the tournament that matters) was no greater in depth than Vasyls! Who cares if ithe amateur competition is tougher in Cuba, that's just Cubans fighting Cubans, it has no bearing on his international competition. Vasyl can't fight in Cuba he's Ukrainian LOL The world scene is what matters not the domestic Cuban scene.. So quit with the Rigo is undoubtedly better crap because there is no certainty in this particular case whatsoever until they fight! That have ONE common opponent & Vasyl did better against him...

[SonOfCuba]

You're not exactly coming at this from the most objective point of view considering your user name... Now give me one of these experts who considered the fight & categorically picked Rigo?! Not some randomer... A genuine amateur boxing connoisseur who is well regarded & well known & who picked Rigo to beat Loma in 08 or 12? How arrogant you are...

There is no great gulf in talent between the two at all... To suggest otherwise is dumb! Both were incredibly special! Who gives a **** if he never took a seat?! LOL What does that prove... Here's a more impressive & relevant stat:

Lomachenko beat his five opponents by an astonishing 58-13 on the way to his first olympic gold medal! Did Rigo do that? No. Did Rigo win a VB trophy? No. Did Rigo lose more than Lomachenko? Yes.

The competition he fought @ the Olympics ( the tournament that matters) was no greater in depth than Vasyls! Who cares if ithe amateur competition is tougher in Cuba, that's just Cubans fighting Cubans, it has no bearing on his international competition. Vasyl can't fight in Cuba he's Ukrainian LOL The world scene is what matters not the domestic Cuban scene.. So quit with the Rigo is undoubtedly better crap because there is no certainty in this particular case whatsoever until they fight! That have ONE common opponent & Vasyl did better against him...

That's just Cubans fighting Cubans yes, but are you ignorant enough to ignore that a lot of those Cubans are world champions themselves and highly ranked in the world?

How many times in Cuban tournaments did Gamboa loose to Barthelemy? Several times, 3 if remember correctly! Same thing happened between Solis and Savon, with Steveson and Milian, with Hernandes, also with Vinent etc etc.

If you don't think that has any importance then I don't know what does.

Many actually thought Lomachenko got beat by the Cuban Yasniel Toledo in the semifinals of the 2012 Olympics. The judges ended up giving him the win on a score of 14-11.

Opinions will vary and while we can all be bias towards who we think is better, most people here will unconsciously usually go for the guy that is most recent or most common. Rigondeaux won his first Gold Medal 15 years ago while Lomachenko did it more recently. I bet you if did a poll asking who's a better amateur Zou Shimming or Ariel Hernandez the polls would favor Shimming because most people are familiar with him while Hernandez could arguably be thrown into the conversation of one the greatest ever.

[mathed]

Don't know much about the ams admittedly but they both seem to be pretty close. As a pro though, while impressed with what Loma has done in just a few fights, Rigo has accomplished a TON with just a few more fights. Both guys are the real deal though.

[DannYankee]

RIgo faced tougher guys by far but Lomachenko's record of wins to lost ratio is insane and it's the amateurs so thats what you gotta go by. That being Said Rigo is not the best Cuban amateur ever I've seen even in my life time but he is deffinetely the top 5 all time for me.

[1g5a22]

That's just Cubans fighting Cubans yes, but are you ignorant enough to ignore that a lot of those Cubans are world champions themselves and highly ranked in the world?

How many times in Cuban tournaments did Gamboa loose to Barthelemy? Several times, 3 if remember correctly! Same thing happened between Solis and Savon, with Steveson and Milian, with Hernandes, also with Vinent etc etc.

If you don't think that has any importance then I don't know what does.

Many actually thought Lomachenko got beat by the Cuban Yasniel Toledo in the semifinals of the 2012 Olympics. The judges ended up giving him the win on a score of 14-11.

Opinions will vary and while we can all be bias towards who we think is better, most people here will unconsciously usually go for the guy that is most recent or most common. Rigondeaux won his first Gold Medal 15 years ago while Lomachenko did it more recently. I bet you if did a poll asking who's a better amateur Zou Shimming or Ariel Hernandez the polls would favor Shimming because most people are familiar with him while Hernandez could arguably be thrown into the conversation of one the greatest ever.

What are you talking about? Toledo has never beaten Lomachenko....

Toledo lost to him in 2011 too when he went on to win the Pan-Am Games that year. Lomachenko scored a knockdown en route to a 17-12 decision.

WHO besides you thought Toledo beat him in 2012?! Laughable... It was a pretty clear win for Loma although Toledo did better than there previous encounter! Do you want me to post the fight so you can score it personally & give me your score? LOL That should be good.. Go watch it again! The slick Cuban southpaw has NEVER beaten him..

I also note you still haven't provided me with this renowned expert who considered the fight & categorically picked Rigo?!

[1g5a22]

Right on point with this. Visolki definitely had his number, but Milian had his.

Who is Visolki?! You can't profess to be an expert on such matters & not even know the names of the individuals concerned!

It's Igor Vysotsky! He beat your boy (Arguably the best Cuban HW ever) Stevenson twice! I'd have thought such an expert would know such things... He had a record of 161-24.

Vysotsky first fought Stevenson in July 1973, defeating the Cuban by a 3-2 decision. Their second and final meeting was in April 1976. Vysotsky stopped Stevenson in the third round.

He also beat the likes of notable US HW's Tony Tubbs, Page, Green et & other Cubans like Romero!

[DannYankee]

Who is Visolki?! You can't profess to be an expert on such matters & not even know the names of the individuals concerned!

It's Igor Vysotsky! He beat your boy (Arguably the best Cuban HW ever) Stevenson twice! I'd have thought such an expert would know such things... He had a record of 161-24.

Vysotsky first fought Stevenson in July 1973, defeating the Cuban by a 3-2 decision. Their second and final meeting was in April 1976. Vysotsky stopped Stevenson in the third round.

He also beat the likes of notable US HW's Tony Tubbs, Page, Green et & other Cubans like Romero!

In Cuba he is known as that russian guy with an Iron sheet for a face, nobody knows his name anywhere his greatest accomplishment was having the number of one of the greatest HW ams of all time number kinda like Frazier was to Ali or Marques is to Pac.

[SonOfCuba]

What are you talking about? Toledo has never beaten Lomachenko....

Toledo lost to him in 2011 too when he went on to win the Pan-Am Games that year. Lomachenko scored a knockdown en route to a 17-12 decision.

WHO besides you thought Toledo beat him in 2012?! Laughable... It was a pretty clear win for Loma although Toledo did better than there previous encounter! Do you want me to post the fight so you can score it personally & give me your score? LOL That should be good.. Go watch it again! The slick Cuban southpaw has NEVER beaten him..

I also note you still haven't provided me with this renowned expert who considered the fight & categorically picked Rigo?!

Really, even the announcers during that though the bout was very close and mentioned that it would be interesting to see how the judges would score it. You can go back and watch that fight all you want, that fight was very close. I agree with the previous bouts that Lomachenko defeated him

[SonOfCuba]

Who is Visolki?! You can't profess to be an expert on such matters & not even know the names of the individuals concerned!

It's Igor Vysotsky! He beat your boy (Arguably the best Cuban HW ever) Stevenson twice! I'd have thought such an expert would know such things... He had a record of 161-24.

Vysotsky first fought Stevenson in July 1973, defeating the Cuban by a 3-2 decision. Their second and final meeting was in April 1976. Vysotsky stopped Stevenson in the third round.

He also beat the likes of notable US HW's Tony Tubbs, Page, Green et & other Cubans like Romero!

Uhhh I spelled a Russian name, that explains everything to you I guess. Most people here still have trouble spelling Klitschko dude relax.

Maybe I got it wrong cause I didn't have to google any of this ****.