Diffrence between Arum & Haymon

[ИATAS]

Haymon fighters faced each other plenty in 2013, look at Danny Garcia vs Lucas Matthysse.

It was only in 2014 that things really slowed down for his stable and many of us assume that it's because he was waiting to get his plan and tv deals in place.

Hopefully that is ready to go now because the fans (me included) won't cut him any slack if he serves up another disappointing year in 2015.

As much as I'd like to give credit to Haymon, Showtime for Garcia vs Matthysse, I'd like to remind people that this was a mandatory fight that they postponed as long as possible and Danny would have been stripped for not taking this fight. Being stripped is fine for no names like Peter Quillin, but Danny was/is a fairly big name and they pretty much had to make the fight.

For the longest time, Haymon fighters didn't fight Haymon fighters. And since he was a manager for many of these guys, to be fair he couldn't (violation of the Ali Act). However he's moved much more to the "personal advisor" position for most of his fighters now which allows his fighters to fight each other. Obviously with the PBC boxing, we should be seeing nothing but Haymon vs Haymon fights.

[TheRichCoward]

One is fat, and white. One is skinny, and black.

[f15bone]

So far Haymon appears to be making all the right moves & most importantly he has the confidence & support from the fighters he advises....

I think its odd that there seems to be a ground swell of opposition to Al Haymon from certain fans & followers of boxing....Yet the fighters themselves r signing up at an astonishing rate....

[Rudiamonds]

Everybody who bashing haymon got every right to do so ..
But what he doing now with the mainstream is huge and could of been his master plan years ago , if this turn out good we might never have to pay for PPVs again etc
Who know
But let give the man one more chance for the love of boxing

[creekrat77]

Bob Arum is in the boxing promoting business and of course it's a business, so it's generally about making money. He does what is expected and that is match the fights that make since and are marketable. More importantly one the consumer yearns for. As far as a fighters career, there is less of an emphasis on management. Top Rank boxers are treated like boxers, not pampered like celebrities. Bob Arum knows that there is only so much room in the boxing world and the sport isn't built around subpar athletes working the system to stay longer then they should. Top Rank takes risks, and while they lose out on sustained momentum of future stars, they also bring the sport to new levels (for instance Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto, Donaire vs Walters). They know what is MOST important is keeping the consumer satisfied, not happy, not mad, but at the very least satisfied. To do so they go against the grain or conventional thinking for what critics would think they would do with Champions. It's not about having the best stable, or at the very least "undefeated" fighters. It's about having the top names signed to you, making decent fights, and in turn, making money. There are up and down years but in the long run they have plenty of money to recover and replenish their stable. People criticize Bob Arum because he tends to tell bold faced lies to the media, which seems to be pretty common among boxing promoters. People also criticize him because he doesn't look out for Boxer's best interest for their long term career. But that would be impossible......for a boxing promotion to say they look after all there fighters well being and long term success is a lie. And it would never work, it's not a clear cut business world, it is a competitive sports world.


Al Haymon started as a business advisor for fighters like Floyd Mayweather and Vernon Forrest. The short story is he is the mastermind behind Floyd's success and was behind Floyd leaving Arum. (Some say it was because Arum shafted Floyd over his own money, others say it is because Floyd, who said himself, wasn't able choose the "best" opponents, most say it is for both reasons). Al Haymon at this point has the biggest boxing stable with the biggest names in the business. His fighters operate in the sports world as "free agents" but they are signed with Al Haymon and can only do business with others as long as he consents to it. Ironically though Al Haymon does have their best interest in mind for his select few. I guess we will see where these relationships go when they inevitably lose, but for the mean time he is choosing opponents for them that are low risk, high reward. Many instances just low risk which is ticking the sports world off. Many of his creations, Broner, Garcia, Quillin, Santa Cruz, Mayweather get constant flack for shying away from the top challengers and fighting easy opponents for easy money. Though Haymon has made a lot of mediocre guys undefeated and made them million dollar men, which is great and all business wise, but sustaining this business model is futile. Especially when you have burned a lot of bridges and have little to no trust from the boxing world.


Think of it like this. If Al Haymon had every professional boxer signed to his stable, there would be no fights. How could he have the best interest for all advised fighters? And at the same time the fans interest?

[mrlopez]

Al "LIKE2F.U.C.K.******S" Haymon

fixed it for you

racism. arum is racist

youre the racist fu.ckboy

[PAC-BOY]

racism. arum is racist

and youre a dipshlt.

[Beater_of_ass]

Arum's worked with other promoters... what in the hell? He had to work with Don King to make DLH/Tito. He worked with Lou (who's guy always loses) to make Cotto/Martinez in a very recent example...

I will say though that Haymon makes a good fight in his stable about as often as Arum works with another promoter. Yet, people are cool with that because... ****, I have no clue. They're ****** I guess.

[Rudiamonds]

Bob Arum is in the boxing promoting business and of course it's a business, so it's generally about making money. He does what is expected and that is match the fights that make since and are marketable. More importantly one the consumer yearns for. As far as a fighters career, there is less of an emphasis on management. Top Rank boxers are treated like boxers, not pampered like celebrities. Bob Arum knows that there is only so much room in the boxing world and the sport isn't built around subpar athletes working the system to stay longer then they should. Top Rank takes risks, and while they lose out on sustained momentum of future stars, they also bring the sport to new levels (for instance Manny Pacquiao vs Miguel Cotto, Donaire vs Walters). They know what is MOST important is keeping the consumer satisfied, not happy, not mad, but at the very least satisfied. To do so they go against the grain or conventional thinking for what critics would think they would do with Champions. It's not about having the best stable, or at the very least "undefeated" fighters. It's about having the top names signed to you, making decent fights, and in turn, making money. There are up and down years but in the long run they have plenty of money to recover and replenish their stable. People criticize Bob Arum because he tends to tell bold faced lies to the media, which seems to be pretty common among boxing promoters. People also criticize him because he doesn't look out for Boxer's best interest for their long term career. But that would be impossible......for a boxing promotion to say they look after all there fighters well being and long term success is a lie. And it would never work, it's not a clear cut business world, it is a competitive sports world.


Al Haymon started as a business advisor for fighters like Floyd Mayweather and Vernon Forrest. The short story is he is the mastermind behind Floyd's success and was behind Floyd leaving Arum. (Some say it was because Arum shafted Floyd over his own money, others say it is because Floyd, who said himself, wasn't able choose the "best" opponents, most say it is for both reasons). Al Haymon at this point has the biggest boxing stable with the biggest names in the business. His fighters operate in the sports world as "free agents" but they are signed with Al Haymon and can only do business with others as long as he consents to it. Ironically though Al Haymon does have their best interest in mind for his select few. I guess we will see where these relationships go when they inevitably lose, but for the mean time he is choosing opponents for them that are low risk, high reward. Many instances just low risk which is ticking the sports world off. Many of his creations, Broner, Garcia, Quillin, Santa Cruz, Mayweather get constant flack for shying away from the top challengers and fighting easy opponents for easy money. Though Haymon has made a lot of mediocre guys undefeated and made them million dollar men, which is great and all business wise, but sustaining this business model is futile. Especially when you have burned a lot of bridges and have little to no trust from the boxing world.


Think of it like this. If Al Haymon had every professional boxer signed to his stable, there would be no fights. How could he have the best interest for all advised fighters? And at the same time the fans interest?

Great post

[PAC-BOY]

Arum's worked with other promoters... what in the hell? He had to work with Don King to make DLH/Tito. He worked with Lou (who's guy always loses) to make Cotto/Martinez in a very recent example...

I will say though that Haymon makes a good fight in his stable about as often as Arum works with another promoter. Yet, people are cool with that because... ****, I have no clue. They're ****** I guess.

Arum and King hated each other with a passion....but still put on good / great fights!

Haymon can do real good things for Boxing...He just needs to work together.