Comments Thread For: Arum on Chavez-Froch Talk: Nobody Wants To Get Sued

[HeroBando]

Agreed!!!!

Ego's are one hell of a drug. And Haymon\Floyd, if they have a way around the situation ... they will use it to prevent the top execs from dictating to them. And Arum trying to go above the heads of both, is a very bad strategy.

Haymon is burning a lot of bridges. Jay z ok, but hbo next, and now he won't be strong armed by cbs head honcho. Theres nobody else with a decent boxing budget, much less for his huge and expensive stable. His main leverage is Floyd, whos still valuable, but not at the price sho paid.

[Scipio2009]

Why doesn't Chavez just buyout his contract?

Honestly a good question. Probably would come down to the price that Arum has put the value of Chavez Jr at.

Folks on here can slag Chavez all they want, I wouldn't be surprised if Arum's number was $6m-$10m.

[Scipio2009]

Haymon is burning a lot of bridges. Jay z ok, but hbo next, and now he won't be strong armed by cbs head honcho. Theres nobody else with a decent boxing budget, much less for his huge and expensive stable. His main leverage is Floyd, whos still valuable, but not at the price sho paid.

What bridges has Haymon actually burned?

HBO doesn't want to do business with him, Arum doesn't do business with him, and Kathy Duva didn't want him undercutting her deal. That's about it, though.

Showtime does tons of business with him, and NBC and, apparently, ****e TV want to do business with him. Through his relationships with other promoters, you also regularly see Haymon-affiliated fights on ESPN.

He's got great ins, with the MGM Grand and the Barclays Center, and his working relationship with Schaefer likely also got him an in with the AEG folks (StubHub Center and the O2 in England; Staples is pretty well attached to De La Hoya at this point) and conversations with some strong financial folks.

No one speaks ill of Haymon, at any level of the conversation, that does business with him; why would the head of CBS go against Haymon, a man who has done right by Showtime in every action so far, to tag along with the demands from a promoter who is basically the 'program director' for HBO, the chief rival for Showtime?

Arum can sit with Moonves all he wants; as any rational businessman would do, he'll hear what Arum has to say, see what his own boxing people (Espinoza and, basically, Haymon, among others) think, and make the decision that is best for CBS/Showtime.

How Arum is going to move Moonves from being on the hook for ~$80m (Floyd's guarantee plus the rumored $40m guarantee offered to Pacquiao, with everyone making their own money off of how big Showtime can build the fight) to being on the hook for ~$150m (payout to the fighters up from, with Showtime/HBO having significantly more of their own money at risk and only conjecture to hope that they ever make the money back) is beyond me.

If anyone needs to worry about bridges being burnt, it's Arum.

Outside of HBO and his Spanish language shows, where else do you see Arum putting on fight cards ? What other promotional companies does Arum actually do regular business with (folks used to be able to point to Banner, but that relationship has hit the skids)?

If Arum loses HBO, what is his company still worth? Especially with Showtime still happy with working with Haymon?

[Wicky]

Honestly a good question. Probably would come down to the price that Arum has put the value of Chavez Jr at.

Folks on here can slag Chavez all they want, I wouldn't be surprised if Arum's number was $6m-$10m.

Wouldn't it make more sense to take one last fight for Arum? You know, make money rather buy freedom. Arum's a hideous leech but if Jr's signed a contract he's bound by it. It's ****** sitting on the sidelines during your prime years.

[HeroBando]

What bridges has Haymon actually burned?

HBO doesn't want to do business with him, Arum doesn't do business with him, and Kathy Duva didn't want him undercutting her deal. That's about it, though.

Showtime does tons of business with him, and NBC and, apparently, ****e TV want to do business with him. Through his relationships with other promoters, you also regularly see Haymon-affiliated fights on ESPN.

He's got great ins, with the MGM Grand and the Barclays Center, and his working relationship with Schaefer likely also got him an in with the AEG folks (StubHub Center and the O2 in England; Staples is pretty well attached to De La Hoya at this point) and conversations with some strong financial folks.

No one speaks ill of Haymon, at any level of the conversation, that does business with him; why would the head of CBS go against Haymon, a man who has done right by Showtime in every action so far, to tag along with the demands from a promoter who is basically the 'program director' for HBO, the chief rival for Showtime?

Arum can sit with Moonves all he wants; as any rational businessman would do, he'll hear what Arum has to say, see what his own boxing people (Espinoza and, basically, Haymon, among others) think, and make the decision that is best for CBS/Showtime.

How Arum is going to move Moonves from being on the hook for ~$80m (Floyd's guarantee plus the rumored $40m guarantee offered to Pacquiao, with everyone making their own money off of how big Showtime can build the fight) to being on the hook for ~$150m (payout to the fighters up from, with Showtime/HBO having significantly more of their own money at risk and only conjecture to hope that they ever make the money back) is beyond me.

If anyone needs to worry about bridges being burnt, it's Arum.

Outside of HBO and his Spanish language shows, where else do you see Arum putting on fight cards ? What other promotional companies does Arum actually do regular business with (folks used to be able to point to Banner, but that relationship has hit the skids)?

If Arum loses HBO, what is his company still worth? Especially with Showtime still happy with working with Haymon?

Thats what all these flo fans are saying, Haymon wont be pushed around by Moonves. That'd burn bridges with Americas #2 boxing network after already getting blacklisted at #1. Nbc lol, whats their license fee, like 20k? Cant even pay Salka with that.

[Scipio2009]

Wouldn't it make more sense to take one last fight for Arum? You know, make money rather buy freedom. Arum's a hideous leech but if Jr's signed a contract he's bound by it. It's ****** sitting on the sidelines during your prime years.

Chavez-Golovkin is easily a $20m-$25m PPV revenue fight, almost basely solely off of Chavez's name if we're being honest. You count the gate money, the cut off of the PPV, the Mexico TV rights and the other revenues (sponsorships, etc), you're looking at $10m-$15m in revenue netting off of the event.

Chavez Jr gets $3m, Golovkin gets his first million dollar payday, and Top Rank walks away with the difference (~$10m).

Chavez Jr carries the name value for the event, gets thrown into a hell-on-Earth 50/50 fight, and walks away with maybe 30% of the take, before paying all of his own expenses.

Canelo, according to rumors, splits the take with Golden Boy 85/15 on his PPVs. Chavez is really supposed to sit for 30/70?

Chavez Jr is only now 28 years old, with no amateur boxing wear-and-tear on his body; he's got plenty of time on his side and it's not like he's hurting for money either.

If he's not even getting $6m for the Golovkin PPV, a show that he'd be the draw for, why take the fight?

[Scipio2009]

Thats what all these flo fans are saying, Haymon wont be pushed around by Moonves. That'd burn bridges with Americas #2 boxing network after already getting blacklisted at #1. Nbc lol, whats their license fee, like 20k? Cant even pay Salka with that.

Haymon and Moonves can sit together, talk business, and figure out terms for Mayweather-Pacquiao that make sense for CBS/Showtime.

Why would CBS/Showtime put up $150m on the front-end, have Arum pigeonhole HBO into cutting Showtime's take on the upside, when Espinoza and Haymon can show their proposed structure for the deal ($40m to Pacquiao, $35m to Mayweather, with Showtime/CBS having an easy shot at making back everything on the upside for the fight).

There's nothing that Arum can bring to the table that can honestly trump what Moonves' own boxing people have put forward for the very same fight. Moonves and CBS hired Espinoza for a reason.