Numbers don't lie - Why Artur Grigorian is the greatest lightweight ever

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  • D-MiZe
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    Numbers don't lie - Why Artur Grigorian is the greatest lightweight ever

    My thesis on why Artur Grigorian is probably the best lightweight ever (at least top 3). I am a philosopher and boxing scholar from the future, my school of philosophy is '303 Bollocks'. If you'd like to know more about why we carry calculators around our neck and are trying to get Numberwang recognised as professional sport - shoot me a PM and I'll answer your questions.

    Grigorian has 17 title defences. My research suggests that Roberto Duran is often claimed to be the greatest lightweight but he only has 13 defences. Grigorian is quite clearly the superior defender.

    If we combine the victories and losses of Grigorian's opponents together in his title reign, we get 484 wins to 39 losses. Doing the same with Duran results in 376 wins to 48 losses.

    Well, you ask what does this mean? I think it's pretty obvious what this means - don't you? From these statistics I've deduced that Grigorian's opposition was clearly superior. Numbers don't lie. If you still aren't convinced, Grigorian defeated 3 unbeaten fighters and Duran only beat 1.

    Duran fans often cite the amount of wins he has (103), this is certainly an impressive feat. But with his 16 losses, this means that for every 7.5 fights he lost once. I don't even need to do the mathematics for Grigorian as he only lost once in 39 fights! 1/4 of Duran's losses were by stoppage too, Grigorian was never stopped. I also find it ironic that Roberto Duran's nickname is 'Hands of Stone' but Grigorian has a better KO ratio by .15% but isn't known as a big puncher. Certainly doesn't have the audacity to call himself 'Hands of Stone' with less than 60% KO ratio.

    I could also mention that Grigorian has 1/2" in height and 3" in reach over Duran but that's just being petty.

    Using these calculations and numbers in an analysis of a fantasy fight between the two, I've concluded that Grigorian wins on decision. Grigorian has never been stopped so I find it unlikely Duran would stop him.

    At the end of the contest, with both fighters next to each other - the victor, Artur Grigorian stands tall. That's not because Roberto Duran is dejected, it's that extra half inch of height. Grigorian's arm is raised and his fist occupies space that Duran's never has. It's a great day for the Uzbeki fighter.
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    It's all about numbers dog.

    Watch Wilder become the GOAT when he beats Stiverne 33 wins, 33 KOs AND WBC champ. Greatest numbers in history.

    Edwin Valero. Undefeated champion. Numbers don't lie.

    Sven Ottke, another ATG.

    It's all about numbers in boxing, and if we know one thing about numbers. It is that they don't lie.

    MATH MATH MATH

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    • cupocity303
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      Grigornian lost and pretty much retired after Freitas. Grigorian never unified any of the other belts. Part of the numbers statement is unified Titles.

      Grigorian was never a dominant champion, which is also part of the "numbers game" (How many 119-108 wipe outs?).

      I understand you're trying to be funny, but it was a bad example. You could have picked someone better for this.

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        Here, Johnny Nelson was probably a better example: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...0623&cat=boxer

        And he retired with the WBO Belt intact. He is WBO emeritus with lots of title defenses, which is probably where Wlad is heading. Undisputed Champ emeritus.

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          Originally posted by Cupo303
          Here, Johnny Nelson was probably a better example: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...0623&cat=boxer

          And he retired with the WBO Belt intact. He is WBO emeritus with lots of title defenses, which is probably where Wlad is heading. Undisputed Champ emeritus.
          Look at that win/loss ratio, won't even bother.

          I'll use my formula with an upcoming fight and proves it's validity.

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            Originally posted by Cupo303
            Here, Johnny Nelson was probably a better example: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...0623&cat=boxer

            And he retired with the WBO Belt intact. He is WBO emeritus with lots of title defenses, which is probably where Wlad is heading. Undisputed Champ emeritus.
            Why would Wlad head for emeritus status?

            That doesn't even make sense.

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              Originally posted by LacedUp
              It's all about numbers dog.

              Watch Wilder become the GOAT when he beats Stiverne 33 wins, 33 KOs AND WBC champ. Greatest numbers in history.

              Edwin Valero. Undefeated champion. Numbers don't lie.

              Sven Ottke, another ATG.

              It's all about numbers in boxing, and if we know one thing about numbers. It is that they don't lie.

              MATH MATH MATH
              Wilder will lose he hasn't beat a legit Heavyweight

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