Comments Thread For: Roman Gonzalez: I'd Knock Estrada Out in a Rematch

[El-blanco]

Roman has a mean poker face the likes of Barrera, trust me.. it means something when he is pushed back and holds his guard up to weather the storm. Estrada has serious power and has hurt and KO'd damn near everyone he fought. I mean for ****s sake he KO'd a 5 foot 8 and a half inch fighter in Sanchez Jr He nearly KO'd Brian and Melindo in their fights too, and stopped iron chinned Segura.

Edited: I am such a ****ing groupie. I apologize for all my nuthugging guys

Haha it's understandable, he's a great fighter. I have a lot of Nicaraguan friends who don't shut up about roman which is why I became a huge fan of his.

You really shouldn't be bragging about Roman being able to take so many clean punches. Estrada tries to limit the amount of punches he absorbs, thus limiting the chances of him being caught. With so many clean punches landing on Roman, the chances of any one of them being the one to do him in are greatly increased. Him being able to take the shots isn't a good thing. He shouldn't be taking so many in the first place.

Not bragging, just the reality of how he fights. The guy is a relentless machine that can take punishment and gives out much worse. He hurt pancho a few times early in their first fight and won clearly, to me. I don't see what changes in a rematch.

[glenn mcrory]

Not bragging, just the reality of how he fights. The guy is a relentless machine that can take punishment and gives out much worse. He hurt pancho a few times early in their first fight and won clearly, to me. I don't see what changes in a rematch.

I don't think the damage overtakes the clean punches, IMO. I think people overrate the damage they perceive was received by Estrada. Roman gets hit way too much, too cleanly. I'm not going to give more credit to blocked or smothered punches than to all the clean shots Estrada landed. I think Estrada has also gotten a bit better, especially at the things that gave Roman the most issues, like his speed, movement, and counter-punching. I just don't like when people act like it's some beatdown. Because it's not. I also feel like the scorecards weren't fair to Estrada. This wasn't a clear win for either, but I feel that Estrada did the better work overall.

[Aztekkas]

Even Ricardo Mayorga says if there's a rematch he has El Gallo en dos rounds, .

I think many people see the growth in Estrada. From BeIN commentator to Ivan Calderon, Juan Manuel Marquez and other ESPN analysts. It would be a great rematch

Haha it's understandable, he's a great fighter. I have a lot of Nicaraguan friends who don't shut up about roman which is why I became a huge fan of his.



Not bragging, just the reality of how he fights. The guy is a relentless machine that can take punishment and gives out much worse. He hurt pancho a few times early in their first fight and won clearly, to me. I don't see what changes in a rematch.

The major factors I see changing in the rematch is the fact that Estrada is not only more experienced and polished as a fighter, but is fighting at 112 and not dropping to 108 for the first time in his career. If anything the fight would be much closer. Don't get me wrong, Roman is one of my favorite fighters as well, but he has major holes in his defense that Estrada exploited until he winded out in the mid to late rounds. I mean... Rocky Fuentes was able to land solid combinations in the first 3 rounds against Roman in his latest fight... that might be something to worry about and Roman's team realized this too.

[VAGAB0ND]

I don't think the damage overtakes the clean punches, IMO. I think people overrate the damage they perceive was received by Estrada. Roman gets hit way too much, too cleanly. I'm not going to give more credit to blocked or smothered punches than to all the clean shots Estrada landed. I think Estrada has also gotten a bit better, especially at the things that gave Roman the most issues, like his speed, movement, and counter-punching. I just don't like when people act like it's some beatdown. Because it's not. I also feel like the scorecards weren't fair to Estrada. This wasn't a clear win for either, but I feel that Estrada did the better work overall.

The bold is because Estrada was pretty much a nobody back then. Mexicans in boxing are a dime a dozen so they don't get the nod unless they're a big name Mexican like Chavez Jr. or Canelo.

[VAGAB0ND]

I think many people see the growth in Estrada. From BeIN commentator to Ivan Calderon, Juan Manuel Marquez and other ESPN analysts. It would be a great rematch

Yup. I see Estrada getting better and better. Gonzalez seems like he's about to or already has hit the ceiling of his potential. Maybe adding Nacho Beristain as his trainer like he mentioned earlier this year would add a little bit to his ceiling.

[El-blanco]

. I just don't like when people act like it's some beatdown. Because it's not. I also feel like the scorecards weren't fair to Estrada. This wasn't a clear win for either, but I feel that Estrada did the better work overall.

Any objectionable viewer knows it wasn't a beat down, it was a great fight. That being said, for me, roman clearly won. He chopped away and pressured estrada all fight.

The major factors I see changing in the rematch is the fact that Estrada is not only more experienced and polished as a fighter, but is fighting at 112 and not dropping to 108 for the first time in his career. If anything the fight would be much closer. Don't get me wrong, Roman is one of my favorite fighters as well, but he has major holes in his defense that Estrada exploited until he winded out in the mid to late rounds. I mean... Rocky Fuentes was able to land solid combinations in the first 3 rounds against Roman in his latest fight... that might be something to worry about and Roman's team realized this too.

That's what I like about that ***in Mexican, he took a risk he didn't have to. He lost, but, if anything that loss catapulted his career even further. As for the Fuentes fight, I think roman knew he had nothing for him so he didn't give a **** about getting hit. I think they'll fight again on a major ppv undercard.

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Estrada defense is horrible ; he was getting hit with 3 punch
combos throughout the fight and was at the mercy of 'Chocolatito' against the ropes also he would need to reset when turning the corners (circling to his left) .Gonzalez remained calm and disciplined cutting off the ring picking his shots wisely whilst Estrada was winging his punches and could not keep his own feet under him almost falling out -- I don't know if it was due to exhaustion or the damage inflicted upon him.For those that said in this thread that he was not in the best shape I think the fact that he took such a beating and had enough to blitz Gonzalez in the final round suggest otherwise.

[Aztekkas]

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Estrada defense is horrible ; he was getting hit with 3 punch
combos throughout the fight and was at the mercy of 'Chocolatito' against the ropes also he would need to reset when turning the corners (circling to his left) .Gonzalez remained calm and disciplined cutting off the ring picking his shots wisely whilst Estrada was winging his punches and could not keep his own feet under him almost falling out -- I don't know if it was due to exhaustion or the damage inflicted upon him.For those that said in this thread that he was not in the best shape I think the fact that he took such a beating and had enough to blitz Gonzalez in the final round suggest otherwise.

Estrada has improved and polished off a lot better as of lately. He still gets caught and wobbled but his chin has held up against some of the divisions strongest punchers. About his punches and balance, that's one of his major flaws. He swings wildly at times and loses his footing. I don't know how many Estrada fights you have watched but it has become a norm for Estrada to take off the mid rounds and comes back rallying strong towards the end. He did it in the Brian, Melindo and Segura fight as of recently. I also think the fact that he dipped 4 pounds when he isn't too big even at 112 can take a toll. He had no prior fight to adjust to the weight, thus he jumped into the fight without any idea how his body would hold up. Many experts have said the rematch at a weight where Estrada is actually comfortable, along with his experience might spell out a completely different result than their first fight… and I agree. Regardless it's a massive fight and an awesome showdown between two amazing fighters.

[tokon]

make the fight!

please.

[Aztekkas]

Any objectionable viewer knows it wasn't a beat down, it was a great fight. That being said, for me, roman clearly won. He chopped away and pressured estrada all fight.



That's what I like about that ***in Mexican, he took a risk he didn't have to. He lost, but, if anything that loss catapulted his career even further. As for the Fuentes fight, I think roman knew he had nothing for him so he didn't give a **** about getting hit. I think they'll fight again on a major ppv undercard.

I don't agree. Roman and his team were interviewed shortly after and they stated that they felt Roman was slower and too vulnerable. Roman said it himself... did you know he came in at 127.5 pounds against Rocky??? That is insane... here is a snippet of the article,

"llama poderosamente la atención que desde Yokohama, Japón, se escucha una inquietud del propio equipo de trabajo de "Chocolatito", sobre estar recibiendo muchos golpes innecesarios por la falta de mejoría en su defensa, y junto a eso, comentan que subió al ring 15 libras encima.

"Me preocupan algunos golpes que recibe y puede evitarlos, golpes que más adelante pueden repercutir. Me gustaría verlo pasar más golpes, que viendo cómo los recibe... No me gustaría ver a Román retirado y tirando golpes en una esquina cuando escuche un carrito de eskimos. Si querés es una broma, pero puede ocurrir", comentó el entrenador Arnulfo Obando mientras conversaba con el colega Levi Luna de TN8 en Japón.

Y es que todo su equipo de trabajo insistió en el tema y esperan que "Chocolatito" tome en serio la preocupación, inclusive la inquietud la que compartió su papá, Luis González. "Se miró un poco pesado, faltó esquivar algunos golpes y creo que debemos mejorar en eso"

"There is a powerful call for attention from Yokohama, Japan, you could hear the unsettling thought from "Chocolatito's" own camp, over receiving too many unnecessary blows due to the lack of improvement in his defense, they also stated that Roman stepped in the ring 15 pounds over.

"I worry about blows that could be evaded, punches that could affect him in the future. I would like to see him dodge more hit rather than watch him take them... I wouldn't like to see him retired throwing punches on the corner everytime he hears an ice cream vendor. You could take it as a joke, but it could happen", commented Roman's trainer Arnulfo Obando while he held a conversation with colleague Levi Luna of TN8 in Japan.

The thing is the whole team insisted on the subject at hand and they hope Chocolatito takes their concerns seriously, the worries included his father's, Luis Gonzalez whom said, "He looked a bit heavy and he needed to dodge more shots, we need to improve on that."

Article is here: http://www.notifight.com/descartan-t...a-chocolatito/