Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: If I Do Well, I Could Easily Be at 140 Next

[luisivich]

We will never know for sure, but there is no way that I believe differently, not with all the double standards that you guys throw around when it comes to Pac and Floyd. There shouldn't be any hate as it now, him fighting Hatton at 147. Floyd was the champ at 147, Hatton had been a champ there and Floyd was the draw. There should be no reasonable reason for ANYONE to criticize that win. But they will regardless. I'm sure they would have something else to say, if he had fought him at 140.

Of course they should be criticizing Golovkin. He is a MIDDLEWEIGHT for God sakes. Floyd weighs in under 147 for almost every fight and never comes in over 151. Golovkin 1. hasn't EVER fought at 154, so we don't even know if he could make it there. 2. Ward and others are calling for him, why not fight someone older and younger rather than a guy who is smaller than you and 37 yrs old to prove yourself? 3. It's a lose lose for Floyd regardless. If he loses, he everyone says "see, we knew he was a fraud". If he win's "GGG was drained". So why would he bother???

since when is age is a category in boxing division? floyd should belong to 35-40 years old division and golovkin would be in 30-34 division.

if golovkin and pacquiao can make the weight 1 division down,
then they should never be criticized if they pursue another world title in a much lower division.
golovkin would be challenging floyd and manny would be pursuing garcia.
it will not be a b1tch move if both golovkin and pacquiao move to the weight where floyd and garcia is champion at.
a ***** move is when golovkin challenge floyd at 160 and when pacquiao challenge garcia to 147- a division where garcia never fought at.

[megadeth]

Cherry pick does not mean that the opponent has no chance to win. Especially in boxing. Anything can happen. I guess you never heard of the line "A cherry pick gone wrong"???

Same goes with a duck. It does not necessarily mean that you would lose the fight.

Example of cherry pick,
Floyd cherry picked Marquez. Marquez had just moved to the 135 division and had to jump 2 more divisions to fight Floyd.

Why don't you stop with this nonesense. Floyd was coming off an almost 2 year layoff. I could see MAYBE if Floyd was the type that bulked up 10-15lbs after the weigh in, but he doesn't He weighed in 2lbs higher than Marquez and came into the ring the same as he always does. There was possibly 2-3lbs seperating him and Marquez in the ring. The very same amount that has seperated him and Pac in the ring.

Example of duck:
Floyd ducked Margarito. For Floyd, the risk was too high. That is the risk that Floyd would have left a piece of him in the ring that night and never be the same. That is why people say that Floyd shouldn't have retired and should have fought those wars that he missed out on. Instead he went AWOL ..... health comes first!

Unfortunately, Arum doesn't agree with you. So why would u keep perpetuating this crap if Arum says differenty? He offered Margarito and Floyd accepted but wanted to be paid well and wanted the ODLH fight as well for the right amount. Not to mention, do you think for one second that Arum would've let that fight go through if Floyd had not signed an extension with TR?? We all know he wouldn't have. Floyd bought out his contract and history as well as his bank account shows that he did right thing. Funny though that u mentioned the Margarito fight for Floyd, when he didn't turn that down, he just wanted the right amont of money. Yet somehow, you chose NOT to use Mosley BEGGING Pac to fight him when he was the was most profitable oppnent giving the most, and a p4p fighter, but was denied. I know, you have an excuse as to why that wasn't a duck, right?

As for a list, I think that I posted that in this thread. Maybe not all the names ........


BTW - I just reread your definition of a cherry pick and all possible excuses, I mean exclusions! Thanks for the laugh!

I want to see you somehow make Mosley an "exclusion".

[KnickTillDeaTh]

haha hate you wrote that whole diatribe but I ment cherrypicked in the sense that they were win's with little substance proving that he never beat them in their prime form. I'm not saying it's his fault but being called TBE over boxer's who had severe disadvantages and not possibly being able to perform in prime condition is ludicrous.

Well then thats something different but its not cherry picking. Im interested to know how you feel about Pac receiving all the accolades that he has while at the same time beating the same fighters that Mayweather already beat. Pac beat those fighters under worst circumstances older age and even got knocked out cold by one. I doubt you will be fair.

[megadeth]

since when is age is a category in boxing division? floyd should belong to 35-40 years old division and golovkin would be in 30-34 division.

if golovkin and pacquiao can make the weight 1 division down,
then they should never be criticized if they pursue another world title in a much lower division.
golovkin would be challenging floyd and manny would be pursuing garcia.
it will not be a b1tch move if both golovkin and pacquiao move to the weight where floyd and garcia is champion at.
a ***** move is when golovkin challenge floyd at 160 and when pacquiao challenge garcia to 147- a division where garcia never fought at.

Said it b4 will say it again. Its a lose lose for Floyd. He wins, GGG was drained. He loses, he was was always overrated. Canelo was 1lb less than the previous weight that he fought at(just like Cotto against Pac) yet he somehow he was drained(and Cotto wasn't). So why would you act like you guys would be giving Floyd credit for beating GGG weighing in at a weight that he has never made as a professional PERIOD??

So was it a ***** move for SRL to fight Duran? Or Ruiz to fight RJJ?

I don't agree. I have never been for huge fighters draining themselves down to fight smaller guys. To me, THAT is the bltch move. If they are special fighters, they should challenge fighters their own size and strength.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Cherry pick does not mean that the opponent has no chance to win. Especially in boxing. Anything can happen. I guess you never heard of the line "A cherry pick gone wrong"???

Same goes with a duck. It does not necessarily mean that you would lose the fight.

Example of cherry pick,
Floyd cherry picked Marquez. Marquez had just moved to the 135 division and had to jump 2 more divisions to fight Floyd.

Example of duck:
Floyd ducked Margarito. For Floyd, the risk was too high. That is the risk that Floyd would have left a piece of him in the ring that night and never be the same. That is why people say that Floyd shouldn't have retired and should have fought those wars that he missed out on. Instead he went AWOL ..... health comes first!

As for a list, I think that I posted that in this thread. Maybe not all the names ........


BTW - I just reread your definition of a cherry pick and all possible excuses, I mean exclusions! Thanks for the laugh!


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Really? you consider that a cherry pick? Mayweather was coming off more then a year layoff 3 months shy of 2 years, and fought a guy who was considered among the top 5 pound for pound on most lists.

As far as Margarito, Mayweather had an equal offer to face Baldomire, do you know what the difference was? The WBC World welterweight title, why was winning that title more important and the smartest career/business move? Because It led to Mayweather holding a title with a sanctioning body where the biggest cash cow in boxing was also holding a title in that same sanctioning body 1 weight division above. Mayweather defeating Balodomire led to the De La Hoya fight because of the sanctioning body WBC. This cannot be construed as a duck. You want to say well he could have fought him after well Margarito lost to Paul Williams.

Danny Garcia fighting Rod Salka is a cherry pick. There is no Rod Salka's on Mayweathers resume.

Maidana signing to fight Thurman then backing out after seeing video of Thurman is a duck.

Im curious what do you think of Pac's career?

[luisivich]

Said it b4 will say it again. Its a lose lose for Floyd. He wins, GGG was drained. He loses, he was was always overrated. Canelo was 1lb less than the previous weight that he fought at(just like Cotto against Pac) yet he somehow he was drained(and Cotto wasn't). So why would you act like you guys would be giving Floyd credit for beating GGG weighing in at a weight that he has never made as a professional PERIOD??

So was it a ***** move for SRL to fight Duran? Or Ruiz to fight RJJ?

I don't agree. I have never been for huge fighters draining themselves down to fight smaller guys. To me, THAT is the bltch move. If they are special fighters, they should challenge fighters their own size and strength.

so you dont want pacquiao moving to 140 because he would be draining himself? is that your official stand?

[megadeth]

so you dont want pacquiao moving to 140 because he would be draining himself? is that your official stand?

My stand is, just like Floyd, Pac has been coming into the ring for years at ww. Actually, even before Floyd was I believe. So, there is absolutely no reason why he should need to move down to jww. Espcecially when the better, more interesting challenges are at ww.

Tell me honestly, what do you think most would say if it was Floyd moving down to jww instead of Pac? Do you think he would be accused of ducking the ww division while it was hot?

[luisivich]

My stand is, just like Floyd, Pac has been coming into the ring for years at ww. Actually, even before Floyd was I believe. So, there is absolutely no reason why he should need to move down to jww. Espcecially when the better, more interesting challenges are at ww.

Tell me honestly, what do you think most would say if it was Floyd moving down to jww instead of Pac? Do you think he would be accused of ducking the ww division while it was hot?

floyd moving to 140 to get his 3rd division title at the same time. is that a trick question? off course everybody would be impressed.

pac would hold 2 division title at the same time. just like floyd.

pac is moving down because he could. golovkin moving down because as he said himself, he could.

[Dr Rumack]

My stand is, just like Floyd, Pac has been coming into the ring for years at ww. Actually, even before Floyd was I believe. So, there is absolutely no reason why he should need to move down to jww. Espcecially when the better, more interesting challenges are at ww.

Tell me honestly, what do you think most would say if it was Floyd moving down to jww instead of Pac? Do you think he would be accused of ducking the ww division while it was hot?

Pac can't fight anyone at 147 except Bradley and Marquez, who he has faced in 6 fights already. Knocking Pac for not fighting the likes of Porter and Thurman is like criticising Floyd for not fighting Bradley.

[junior gong]

I dont get this ******ed floydspastic argument running right through this thread. - 'Aww Pac be running to 140 now'. Seriously, how fooking ****** is this? For one its brazenly ironic considering Floyd has spent the last 5/6 years running from manny, but also its not like the guy cant come straight back to 147 if floyd discovers a pair of testicles.

Floyd****ers make ridiculous statements and arguments as a default posting setting, but even by their standards, this one is an absolutely embarrassing turkey.