who are the "BBH Champs"???

[SacTown1]

we need to produce a new category, the BBH, for Bogus Belt Holders, especially following the victory by the skilled-yet-ordinary Felix Sturm this afternoon....

at heavyweight, we have Byrd, Brewster, and Valuev

at cruiser, Virgil Hill is a BBH

at 175, everyone but Tarver is a BBH

at 168, we have Kessler and Beyer

and now at middleweight, Sturm is the BBH champ

feel free to add/subtract from the list at your convenience

ALL HAIL THE BBH's!!!!

[moochi]

we need to produce a new category, the BBH, for Bogus Belt Holders, especially following the victory by the skilled-yet-ordinary Felix Sturm this afternoon....

at heavyweight, we have Byrd, Brewster, and Valuev

at cruiser, Virgil Hill is a BBH

at 175, everyone but Tarver is a BBH

at 168, we have Kessler and Beyer

and now at middleweight, Sturm is the BBH champ

feel free to add/subtract from the list at your convenience

ALL HAIL THE BBH's!!!!

adamek at light heavyweight has done well and is pretty legitimate!

Beyer, that guy is a legend!...lol

you didn't mention JUDAH...he is still IBF champion of the world!

[Piggu]

at heavyweight, we have Byrd, Brewster, and Valuev

Yeah, because Rahman is the best.

at cruiser, Virgil Hill is a BBH

Agreed

at 175, everyone but Tarver is a BBH

Adamek is all right. Not sure about Erdei, Woods, or Tiozzo.

at 168, we have Kessler and Beyer

Agreed

and now at middleweight, Sturm is the BBH champ

Sturm is all right. I haven't seen enough of him to know for sure though.

[blockhead]

byrd, rahman, taylor. to name a few.

[Mr. David]

Well, you could take any of the WBA "regular" belts that are handed out when someone unifies. Hill, Collazo (although Judah's loss makes him the only WBA beltholder), Sturm. Chris John counts as legitimate because he did ultimately beat the man.

Despite the knock on Erdei, legitimate or otherwise, he is the linear light heavyweight champ. I still consider Tarver the champ at light heavyweight, though.

Someone you need to add to your list is Valdemir Pereira, the guy who beat Phafrakorb Rakkietgym for the IBF belt that Juan Manuel Marquez was stripped of.

Zab Judah, of course.

I think it's a mistake to charge that Kessler is bogus... he's the one guy left a 168 who deserves a shot.

But, frankly, here's the point... we can refer to these guys as titlists or as beltholders, sure. I do so all the time. But I'd still rather just identify a single champion through the process of history and of everyone actually facing each other.

[SacTown1]

byrd, rahman, taylor. to name a few.

Taylor? He beat Hopkins, who unified the championship....

by BBH, I'm not justifying how good/lousy the champion is, I'm simply stating that there are too many BBH's who didn't beat "the man" in their particular division, whereas Jermain Taylor beat "the man"

I believe that the welterweight championship, held by Baldomir, may have the longest un-interrupted lineage, sadly only going back to 2000 (Oscar-Coley for the championship vacated by Tito)

[dumdane]

by BBH, I'm not justifying how good/lousy the champion is, I'm simply stating that there are too many BBH's who didn't beat "the man" in their particular division, whereas Jermain Taylor beat "the man"

hmm... Not an unimportant clarification.

I'll just add this.
Perhaps if some of the so called "real champs" would give some of the so called "BBH's" a chance to prove themselves, the picture would look very different.

Who get's the chance sometimes has so much more to do with money, marketability, hype and even nationality than it has to do with actual skills.

As an example take SMW.
There both Kessler and Lacy were trying to get a shot at Calzaghe to unify.
Lacy being backed by Showtime was able to get the fight, despite his limited abilities and poorly suited style. They practically roled out the red carpet for Lacy because he'd faught a collection of old-timers who'd been on american TV.
Kessler is never gonna get the shot - despite (or perhaps because) his skills are much more suited to give Calzaghe a run for it.

What i'm saying is that you can easily have "BBH's" out there who are actually superior to the one you'd call "The Man" in the division. There are just other factors in play than being the best boxer.

In a number of cases i'd have more respect for a "BBH" than for "The Man".

[JuicyJuice]

Beyer is a joke, I think I could of maybe beaten him (I'm not messing about when I say that).

[clemente]

can someone explain the WBA regular champion thing.
in the welterweight division, luis collazo "has" the belt. zab judah was also given the belt when he unified, judah lost so does collazo still have the belt? its confusing. Collazo did beat jose antonio rivera for that belt, over a year ago, and he has defended it once against a veteran miguel angel gonzalez. does collazo have the wba belt or did baldomir take it when he beat judah.

[SacTown1]

can someone explain the WBA regular champion thing.
in the welterweight division, luis collazo "has" the belt. zab judah was also given the belt when he unified, judah lost so does collazo still have the belt? its confusing. Collazo did beat jose antonio rivera for that belt, over a year ago, and he has defended it once against a veteran miguel angel gonzalez. does collazo have the wba belt or did baldomir take it when he beat judah.

I believe that....

if a WBA titleholder unifies, then they become "super-champion", and someone can win the WBA "regular" title (ie Joppy, Collazo, Harris, etc)....

because Judah lost to Baldomir, but Baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fee, I think Collazo is now the "undisputed regular WBA champ" and there is no "super" champ at 147

all that matters is that Baldomir has the RING MAGAZINE TITLE