Most complete active fighters in the sport?

[Build That Wall]

No Dawson isn't a slow plodding brawler..... I'm only talking about his 168lb opponents. I didn't include Dawson because he should have never been fighting Ward like that


I should of specified

Dawson voluntarily chose to go down to 168. Ward did not tell him to do anything.

[King_]

Seriously are you trolling? Please tell me you're trolling.

Ward has fought in several different styles. He can box on the backfoot, frontfoot at long or short range. Inside and outside. He's also fought plenty of elite fighters in his division.

Yet you think Golokvin who has walked straight forward and stalked a list of bums is some multi-dimensional complete wizard.

Once again....please tell me your're trolling.

I'm not trolling. Read the post I just made in response to you at the bottom of page 3. Golovkin and Kovalev are complete fighters. without a doubt.

A lot of those are not complete fighters, Golovkin has not shown that he can fight off the back foot because no one has been able to force him back. The few times that Stevens did, Golovkin didn't look too good.

Thurman hasn't shown that he can fight on the inside, Thurman is more mid range, with pretty decent boxing ability from the outside.

Pacquiao isn't complete either.

Kell Brook can't fight on the inside, he can neutralize your game up close but can't get off there.

Lomachenko, Salido already proved he isn't complete when Lomachenko opted to hold up close.

You even mentioned Murray and Kovalev

How did Golovkin not look good? He ate his shots like candy, went unfazed and kept doing what he does. You have to get hit SOMETIMES.


The way you just described Thurman shows a well-rounded fighter. How the hell is Pac not a complete fighter? He's got speed... knockout power. The full package.

Dude Lomachenko? Really?! He fought a former champion, a seasoned veteran in his SECOND pro fight and the man came in two divisions over weight, headbutted, and lowblowed all night.... yet Lomachenko still managed to hurt him and almost KO him in the 12th round, with all of the odds stacked against him.


It was a learning experience and anybody else who wasn't as complete as Lomachenko and in that same situation under those circumstances would of gotten KO'd or KO'd themselves like Tyson Fury punching himself, out of frustration.


Lomachenko is top 5 as far as complete fighters go.

Rigo, Floyd and Manny..... atm


Loma needs a couple more fights, GGG needs better opposition, etc.

You can be a complete fighter without having fought the best yet. You can tell when a fighter is complete.

Most of those fighters you listed are not or haven't show enough yet to make anyone believe their "COMPLETE" most haven't even been in a big fight yet against a LEGIT TOP CONTENDER!

Right Now, I think only Rigondeaux is truly COMPLETE:
Offense, Defense, Inside, Outside, POWER, Speed, Footwork, Head Movement, BODY PUNCHING, can fight coming forward, off of his backfoot. It is literally NOTHING that Rigondeaux can't do in that ring.

Mayweather put on Complete Performances at times like the Canelo fight but he looked anything but Complete against Maidana his last 2 Fights.

I can EASILY make a legit argument for Andre Ward of course.

After that, THEN you have some guys on the rise with the Potential to be Complete like: Nicolas Walters, GGG, Keith Thuman and others that are already listed.

What is the point of starting a thread like this if you start it off being Bias, nobody is going to take it serious

How am I being bias? Dude you're biased as hell.


You literally gave no reasons as to why the guys I mentioned in my OP aren't complete fighters

There is a guy in the next division who can do everything Rigo can and more: Lomachenko. Lomachenko has never gotten hurt or been dropped. Rigo has.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Both have them have very solid and subtle defense, you just can;'t notice it because they're destroying opponents while trying to please the crowd.


You don't have over 300 amateur victories without an ability to box. They can both box going backward, you just haven't saw them have to do it because they go for the kill and try to fight to please the fans. DO you think either of them could of made it in America without fighting how they do? They do it cause they have to and they're good at it.... but it's not all they can do.

Abel Sanchez said it best: "When I got Golovkin... he was a boxer, but that wouldn't work with the American fans. We had to change his style to make him a star."


And Max Kellerman said himself that Kovalev has good defense for the style he has, the best a guy with his style could possibly have


That's why these two are on the list..... Hell GGG and Kovalev are THE TWO most complete fighters in the sport.

Golovkin got tagged by Stevens and just backed straight up allowing the punches to land on his face. Kovalev got tagged in his last fight and touched down because of poor defence and balance.

The day I start giving a **** about what Max Kellerman says is the day I probably top myself.

You're off your ***ing **** if you actually believe these two are the most complete fighters in the sport. Everything about them screams "incomplete"

[King_]

Martin Murray beats Andre Ward? I've seen people get banned for less.

Could Ward have went down to 160 and beat Sergio Martinez in 2012?

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If you mean complete as in well-rounded then guys like Golovkin and Pacquaio who can box but also have tons of power are good choices... Lomachenko and Floyd may be very technical and "slick" but the power is absent.

[King_]

Did you not see uchiyamas last fight? The gentleman is showing his age.

I would recommend young Christopher Eubank jr. This fighter is a future pound for pound international superstar, and will be the one to beat Golovkin.

I actually have not seen his last fight but I'll have to watch.


Lol come on. Nobody beats Golovkin at 160. Too skilled. Too strong. He's just too much for anybody at 160.

Eubank Jr has a long ways to go before even being in a discussion like this.

Dawson voluntarily chose to go down to 168. Ward did not tell him to do anything.

I know. I'm not blaming Ward for fighting him. I'm just saying I didn't wanna see that fight.... I don't think Dawson should of went down or was able to do it and be his healthy self

[sicko]

I'm not trolling. Read the post I just made in response to you at the bottom of page 3. Golovkin and Kovalev are complete fighters. without a doubt.




How did Golovkin not look good? He ate his shots like candy, went unfazed and kept doing what he does. You have to get hit SOMETIMES.


The way you just described Thurman shows a well-rounded fighter. How the hell is Pac not a complete fighter? He's got speed... knockout power. The full package.

Dude Lomachenko? Really?! He fought a former champion, a seasoned veteran in his SECOND pro fight and the man came in two divisions over weight, headbutted, and lowblowed all night.... yet Lomachenko still managed to hurt him and almost KO him in the 12th round, with all of the odds stacked against him.


It was a learning experience and anybody else who wasn't as complete as Lomachenko and in that same situation under those circumstances would of gotten KO'd or KO'd themselves like Tyson Fury punching himself, out of frustration.


Lomachenko is top 5 as far as complete fighters go.





You can be a complete fighter without having fought the best yet. You can tell when a fighter is complete.




How am I being bias? Dude you're biased as hell.


You literally gave no reasons as to why the guys I mentioned in my OP aren't complete fighters

There is a guy in the next division who can do everything Rigo can and more: Lomachenko. Lomachenko has never gotten hurt or been dropped. Rigo has.

Biased towards WHO EXACTLY?

OK It's Official...This Guy Is SUPER ******!

[nubianpiye]

This guy genuinely tried the say martin Murray lol and lomachenko who has what 3? Professional fights and lost one of them to Salido are more complete than Andre Ward? Ban him I say he gets banned now.

[- Ram Raid -]

Both have them have very solid and subtle defense, you just can;'t notice it because they're destroying opponents while trying to please the crowd.


You don't have over 300 amateur victories without an ability to box. They can both box going backward, you just haven't saw them have to do it because they go for the kill and try to fight to please the fans. DO you think either of them could of made it in America without fighting how they do? They do it cause they have to and they're good at it.... but it's not all they can do.

Abel Sanchez said it best: "When I got Golovkin... he was a boxer, but that wouldn't work with the American fans. We had to change his style to make him a star."


And Max Kellerman said himself that Kovalev has good defense for the style he has, the best a guy with his style could possibly have


That's why these two are on the list..... Hell GGG and Kovalev are THE TWO most complete fighters in the sport.

To follow your reasoning to its logical conclusion . . . Does that mean that Adrian Broner is also a complete fighter?

[Doctor_Tenma]

You don't know what complete is, especially with this comment

"How the hell is Pac not a complete fighter? He's got speed... knockout power. The full package"

Complete is being able to apply yourself from all ranges, when you don't become a sitting duck when your opponent opts to change his approach.