Comments Thread For: Pacquiao: Not Using Mayweather's Name To Push My PPV

[richardt]

I think that is a poor analogy because the purpose of the sport is related to hurting someone. So anyone who is a fan of boxing is ****ed up really, including myself who profits on the suffering of others. Also that had a lot to do with personal conflicts people running their mouths to people who ran their mouth without much regard to the consequences.

You can't act one way then when the shoe is on the other foot complain about it. If those people had empathy they would understand the other side to a degree and would likely avoid such stuff. It is all part of the cycle here and that cycle only stops with empathy.

This is the perfect analogy because I have seen people act like they care when they clearly do not because they are trying to explain why all of a sudden Pac's finances are important when one of their last posts was basically laughing at Pac's tax problem. THAT is disingenuous.

And the purpose of the sport is not to put a person into a near coma or coma state, it is to outbox them or stop them, not render them in a state that could become a medical emergency. That IS NOT the purpose, that is the unfortunate end-result! Every boxer will tell you that they would never want to badly hurt someone, even if pre-fight talk makes it sound that way. There is a clear disconnect between someone laughing a few posts back then acting like they are just concerned about Pac having financial issues.

So they hate him, want him to be KTFO, call him a fraud, insult him at every turn, even laugh at all those circumstances, even at his finances, but somehow care about his finances....Don't ***ing make me laugh. I'm not saying the other guy was one of those guys though I wouldn't be surprised but countless times I have seen posters say every bad thing about Pac including his finances, only to come back and say they care......BULLSHT!

[The Gambler1981]

This is the perfect analogy because I have seen people act like they care when they clearly do not because they are trying to explain why all of a sudden Pac's finances are important when one of their last posts was basically laughing at Pac's tax problem. THAT is disingenuous. And the purpose of the sport is not to put a person into a near coma or coma state, it is to outbox them or stop them, not render them in a state that could become a medical emergency. Every boxer will tell you that they would never want to badly hurt someone, even if pre-fight talk makes it sound that way. There is a clear disconnect between someone laughing a few posts back then acting like they are just concerned about Pac being broke. So they hate him, want him to be KTFO, call him a fraud, insult him at every turn, even laugh at all those circumstances, even at his finances, but somehow care about his finances....Don't ***ing make me laugh. I'm not saying the other guy was one of those guys though I wouldn't be surprised but countless times I have seen posters say every bad thing about Pac including his finances, only to come back and say they care....BULLSHT!

No there isn't because this is the hurt business people get hurt in boxing and that is what generates excitement in the sport. I find your take to be garbage because you are a fan of boxing just like me, if you were against fighters hurting the other the sport would not appeal to you at all.

I have watched a lot of fight were guys got hurt bad, I have watched Mancini-Kim, Griffith-Parret III after the fact just to see them because every boxing fan has a duty to know what this sport can do to men.

You are painting with a broad brush without looking into the reasons why things got said, which has more to do with personal beefs here than actual feelings toward Manny.

You are conflating things making it overly simple, when the matter is much more complex sociology discussion. Either way you should not be against those showing empathy, saying why they are fakes to you because of what some other unrelated people do who may happen to like the same fighter because that is just a continuation of the same cycle of ******ity and ignorance~

[richardt]

No there isn't because this is the hurt business people get hurt in boxing and that is what generates excitement in the sport. I find your take to be garbage because you are a fan of boxing just like me, if you were against fighters hurting the other the sport would not appeal to you at all.

I have watched a lot of fight were guys got hurt bad, I have watched Mancini-Kim, Griffith-Parret III after the fact just to see them because every boxing fan has a duty to know what this sport can do to men.

You are painting with a broad brush without looking into the reasons why things got said, which has more to do with personal beefs here than actual feelings toward Manny.

You are conflating things making it overly simple, when the matter is much more complex sociology discussion. Either way you should not be against those showing empathy, saying why they are fakes to you because of what some other unrelated people do who may happen to like the same fighter because that is just a continuation of the same cycle of ******ity and ignorance~

ENOUGH!! I have watched MANY people on here insult Pac in every way INCLUDING his finances and then come back one post later or a few posts later or the next day and then try to justify their newfound interest in his finances by some disingenuous empathetic statement so don't try to revise the history that I have watched take place. It is a FACT that I have seen played out a number of times. Not up for debate!

"if you were against fighters hurting the other the sport would not appeal to you at all". I know you are not that dense. It is one thing to KO a fighter but MANY people absolutely loved seeing Pac motionless for the duration and that is also not up for debate. SOME of us, INCLUDING Mayweather fans were concerned for Pac when he laid there. Some people are bloodthirsty to the point of sickness like quoting "If he dies in the ring, he dies". And others have a line they do not cross when seeing a fighter is obviously more than just stopped.

[The Gambler1981]

ENOUGH!! I have watched MANY people on here insult Pac in every way INCLUDING his finances and then come back one post later or a few posts later or the next day and then try to justify their newfound interest in his finances by some disingenuous empathetic statement so don't try to revise the history that I have watched take place. It is a FACT that I wave seen played out a number of times. Not up for debate!

"if you were against fighters hurting the other the sport would not appeal to you at all". I know you are not that dense. It is one thing to KO a fighter but MANY people absolutely loved seeing Pac motionless for the duration and that is also not up for debate. SOME of us, INCLUDING Mayweather fans were concerned for Pac when he laid there. Some people are bloodthirsty to the point of sickness like quoting "If he dies in the ring, he dies". And others have a line they do not cross when seeing a fighter is obviously more than just stopped.

I have watched many people say many things here~. Holding a person responsible for what they say is one thing but painting with a broad brush because of some other **** you saw and applying it to others is soft.

I have seen many dude laying motionlessness that got cheered or **** talked about them, that is boxing. I don't want anybody seriously hurt but a guy getting laid out is part of the sport and to be bitter about how people reacted to a major event like that is puzzling. What goes around comes around, that is exactly what happened and no reason to be mad about it. The other side of the coin will come one day and what will you do when that day comes will you be the bigger man or will you partake in the fun?

Also who are you to really judge what others think like that in relation to various topics, I separate out in ring from out of the ring so conflating those events together has nothing to do with how I think, and I am who you are actually talking to.

Not some mythical dude who embodies all the hate you see on a daily basis.

[maguirre]

That's rather compassionate for a floydgobbler. Bless!

Nah. It's all about damage control for floydgobblers. They get butthurt seeing the ball in their idol's court. Pacman had to do this and that, has to leave Arum, fix his tax problems, join TMT, beg, you name it. They have nothing for their idol. He is their god.

[richardt]

I have watched many people say many things here~. Holding a person responsible for what they say is one thing but painting with a broad brush because of some other **** you saw and applying it to others is soft.

I have seen many dude laying motionlessness that got cheered or **** talked about them, that is boxing. I don't want anybody seriously hurt but a guy getting laid out is part of the sport and to be bitter about how people reacted to a major event like that is puzzling. What goes around comes around, that is exactly what happened and no reason to be mad about it. The other side of the coin will come one day and what will you do when that day comes will you be the bigger man or will you partake in the fun?

Also who are you to really judge what others think like that in relation to various topics, I separate out in ring from out of the ring so conflating those events together has nothing to do with how I think, and I am who you are actually talking to.

Not some mythical dude who embodies all the hate you see on a daily basis.

First off, I already qualified the statement I made in reference to Mindbat and addressed the fact that many have made that same statement and it was disingenuous and I sure as hell would not be surprised if Mindbat has done the same.

And judge and be prepared to be judged so we all judge and I laugh at anyone who would get upset by saying "who are you to really judge" when everyone including you has done exactly this probably no less than 5 thousand times in your life.

And anyone who laughs, scoffs at, jokes about, makes fun at a fighter who is face first down and out for a while, and then has the audacity to say they are concerned about Pac's finances, does not fool me or anyone here for that matter. This is the statement I made, this is what I have seen played out, it is a fact, and for anyone to counter this is like telling me I have never seen a car accident when in fact I have seen many. I made a very true statement that cannot possibly be refuted.

And if it was Mayweather who was laid out flat like that, there is no way in hell I would be celebrating. I would be shocked and concerned. This is what divides people. Some people are mean-spirited, sadistic, vengeful to the point of extreme. Others love a good action fight but do not want to see someone badly hurt. This is not about "well this happens, it is boxing". This is about people with bloodlust compared to those who fall short of sadism. Some people on here who do not even know a fighter or even met them would love to seem him seriously hurt and even spoke with a straight face and defended their statements. That's the extreme. Some though have celebrated when a fighter was counted out and could not get up on his own. It is damn insensitive when people lust that kind of outcome. And for anyone from any level between sarcastic to sadist who would wish that kind of harm and celebrate it, and then turn around and act like they are concerned for Pac's finances....no one buys that LOAD OF PURE UNADULTRATED CRAP!

[The Gambler1981]

First off, I already qualified the statement I made in reference to Mindbat and addressed the fact that many have made that same statement and it was disingenuous and I sure as hell would not be surprised if Mindbat has done the same.

And judge and be prepared to be judged so we all judge and I laugh at anyone who would get upset by saying "who are you to really judge" when everyone including you has done exactly this probably no less than 5 thousand times in your life.

And anyone who laughs, scoffs at, jokes about, makes fun at a fighter who is face first down and out for a while, and then has the audacity to say they are concerned about Pac's finances, does not fool me or anyone here for that matter. This is the statement I made, this is what I have seen played out, it is a fact, and for anyone to counter this is like telling me I have never seen a car accident when in fact I have seen many. I made a very true statement that cannot possibly be refuted.

So you laugh and cry very easily I see. Not everyone is as sensitive as you are~

Yea I have seen it play out a lot, Manny laid out Hatton and Manny fans had a field day, Broner gets roughed up toughs out a loss and dudes clown him non stop. That is all related to the sport though and if a fighter gets hurt doing what they chose to do that is their choice.

Cheering in the moment is what boxing fans do, and knockouts are the most exciting thing the sport. 80% of the people here are bloodthirsty when it comes to their attitudes toward fighter and everyone wants to see a dude get starched. My suggestion if that is your problem and you can't move past people being really into those big moments in the sport then this sport is not for you. Watch some tiddly-winks or ballroom dancing nobody cheering or getting excited about dudes getting the faces wrecked.

Full disclosure~

The Abdusalamov fight, I was here look in the fight thread. I was talking about how his face was getting wrecked making some jokes also about his deteriorating appearance. However, I also understood that he was getting hurt bad and I did not want to be him. It does make me sad thinking about it even now. It hasn't changed anything about the sport for me though because I have seen tons of dudes terribly hurt it happens but when they finally ban boxing I will understand the decision.

Like I said though earlier for all of my better qualities being a boxing fan shows my darker side. I accept that but that does not mean I would want anything but the best for fighters outside the ring.

[richardt]

So you laugh and cry very easily I see. Not everyone is as sensitive as you are~

Yea I have seen it play out a lot, Manny laid out Hatton and Manny fans had a field day, Broner gets roughed up toughs out a loss and dudes clown him non stop. That is all related to the sport though and if a fighter gets hurt doing what they chose to do that is their choice.

Cheering in the moment is what boxing fans do, and knockouts are the most exciting thing the sport. 80% of the people here are bloodthirsty when it comes to their attitudes toward fighter and everyone wants to see a dude get starched. My suggestion if that is your problem and you can't move past people being really into those big moments in the sport then this sport is not for you. Watch some tiddly-winks or ballroom dancing nobody cheering or getting excited about dudes getting the faces wrecked.

Full disclosure~

The Abdusalamov fight, I was here look in the fight thread. I was talking about how his face was getting wrecked making some jokes also about his deteriorating appearance. However, I also understood that he was getting hurt bad and I did not want to be him. It does make me sad thinking about it even now. It hasn't changed anything about the sport for me though because I have seen tons of dudes terribly hurt it happens but when they finally ban boxing I will understand the decision.

Like I said though earlier for all of my better qualities being a boxing fan shows my darker side. I accept that but that does not mean I would want anything but the best for fighters outside the ring.

Laugh and cry easily? I don't laugh and cry easily and empathy is not automatically synonymous with tears. That must be a projection so perhaps that's what you do and it is irrelevant to this conversation.

Of course there were Pac fans who rejoiced when Hatton was out but there were also some who were concerned he was going to be okay. Last I checked, empathy or disingenuous empathy is not umbilical to just one fan base. You really sounded like a complete idiot when you said "this sport may not be for you". I have been following it for over 25 and after 25 years, a person knows what the hell they like after 25 years and simply does not rejoice when a fighter is or potentially is badly hurt. That's as idiotic as saying to someone whose favorite music is Rock and telling them it really is not for them when they appreciate many Rock bands and have loved the music for many years.

Some fans love boxing when it is hit and not get hit and don't bloodlust for a vicious KO and have empathy if a fighter gets seriously hurt or is the victim of a brutal KO so for you to say that the sport is not for them and have the arrogance to say they should be into Tiddly-Winks or ball dancing, it does not get dumber than that. Everyone knows that the worst is possible. It doesn't mean everyone lusts for it or doesn't feel genuine empathy for a fighter who has had that happen.

My original statement still stands. If anyone hates any fighter and spends countless posts illustrating this and includes joking about Pac's KO and his finances, for them to act like they actually care because they have been put on the spot, that disingenuous empathy does not get any more transparent; it is obvious and glaring and as contradictive as it can possibly get.

[The Gambler1981]

Laugh and cry easily? I don't laugh and cry easily and empathy is not synonymous with tears. That must be a projection so perhaps that's what you do and it is irrelevant to this conversation.

Of course there were Pac fans who rejoiced when Hatton was out but there were also some who were concerned he was going to be okay. Last I checked, empathy or disingenuous empathy is not umbilical to just one fan base. You really sounded like a complete idiot when you said "this sport may not be for you". I have been following it for over 25 and after 25 years, a person knows what they really like. That's as idiotic as saying to someone whose favorite food music is Rock and telling them it really is not for them. Some fans love boxing when it is hit and not get hit and don't bloodlust for a vicious KO and have empathy if a fighter gets seriously hurt or is the victim of a brutal KO so for you to say that the sport is not for them and have the arrogance to say they should be into Tiddly-Winks or ball dancing, it does not get dumber than that. Everyone knows that the worst is possible. It doesn't mean the lust for it or don't feel for a fighter who has had that happen.

You said you laugh at people who say "who are you to judge" and you are crying about how Manny was treated when he was laid out. Sorry you didn't like my joke~

Empathy is empathy either you can see the other side or you can't. I can see that you are upset by how Manny is treated, but a lot of that has nothing to do with Manny which is why I brought up empathy in the first place.

I am a fan of boxing dude, it is a brutal sport filled with a lot of bad people. As a human is do feel for some of the events that take place to fighters especially when the sport fails them like Abdusalamov. However, this is a sport of hurting people so as long as a guy doesn't end up seriously hurt that is just part of the game.

I don't think the sport is for you and I have been watching the sport just about as long as you. Why would that make me look ******, I don't know **** about you but based on the opinions you shared here I came to that conclusion. That is judging you narrowly like you are doing to others, did you like that feeling? It seems like you didn't appreciate it, ever hear the phrase don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. So who am i to judge you? That is right no one~

The difference between me and you is I accept what this sport is and what it means to enjoy boxing. If I end up going to hell I am pretty certain it is because of boxing and treating it like I do, but I accept that personal flaw because I just enjoy seeing guys fight and part of that is guys getting laid out. I like all sorts of fights and I have no issue with a fight be a chess match but it a dude gets starched that is great. I see no reason for people to be apologetic for an incredible knockout where no one was seriously injured. Still it takes all sorts maybe your that 1 in a million mother ****er that has a totally different view of things because I don't know you are really care to. You can think about things how you want though on the matter

[richardt]

You said you laugh at people who say "who are you to judge" and you are crying about how Manny was treated when he was laid out. Sorry you didn't like my joke~

Empathy is empathy either you can see the other side or you can't. I can see that you are upset by how Manny is treated, but a lot of that has nothing to do with Manny which is why I brought up empathy in the first place.

I am a fan of boxing dude, it is a brutal sport filled with a lot of bad people. As a human is do feel for some of the events that take place to fighters especially when the sport fails them like Abdusalamov. However, this is a sport of hurting people so as long as a guy doesn't end up seriously hurt that is just part of the game.

I don't think the sport is for you and I have been watching the sport just about as long as you. Why would that make me look ******, I don't know **** about you but based on the opinions you shared here I came to that conclusion. That is judging you narrowly like you are doing to others, did you like that feeling? It seems like you didn't appreciate it, ever hear the phrase don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. So who am i to judge you? That is right no one~

The difference between me and you is I accept what this sport is and what it means to enjoy boxing. If I end up going to hell I am pretty certain it is because of boxing and treating it like I do, but I accept that personal flaw because I just enjoy seeing guys fight and part of that is guys getting laid out. I like all sorts of fights and I have no issue with a fight be a chess match but it a dude gets starched that is great. I see no reason for people to be apologetic for an incredible knockout where no one was seriously injured. Still it takes all sorts maybe your that 1 in a million mother ****er that has a totally different view of things because I don't know you are really care to. You can think about things how you want though on the matter

I am not emphasizing any emotion about how Pac was treated. That's you deviating from the central discussion. I am coupling how people hate Pac, loved seeing him get KO'd, and joked about it - along with the fact that they insulted Pac about his finances, and then have the nerve to put on some fake caring about his finances by spitting out a lame response when corned. Again, you really came across as a complete idiot telling someone what is not for them when they have had a passion for the sport that has lasted over a quarter of a century, just not a passion for those rare occasions when a fighter is motionless from a brutal KO. You don't know me, you get a pass this time. I am not the only one who carries the same view. Maybe you don't want to see someone get seriously hurt but others have clearly stated they do, especially if they hate that fighter for whatever reasons.

But none of this is relative to the fact that hypocrisy and disingenuous empathy is very obvious when someone broadcasts that they hate everything about a fighter and insults that fighter at every chance - only to try to cover up their tracks and act like they care when asked "Why is it you all of a sudden care about Pac's finances". It doesn't take a Sherlock to spot these things. I'm talking about an oozing hypocrisy that is not something that can be disguised. That's it in a nutshell. Case closed.