Did GGG come to the USA with nothing?

[DoktorSleepless]

Even that upstate ny date wasn't his, it was Pirogs. Anyway the point is, it took a
Sea change at HBO for him to get a chance, he wasn't gonna be shown under the old regime.

Which opponents of his didn't belong on premium cable? Mostly those in Monaco, not shown on premium cable.

K2 had never promoted anyone successfully in the Us but the K bros.

Why are you talking about the old HBO regime? The old HBO regime is completely irrelevant. Universum was blocking Golovkin from fighting in the US during that time. When the promotional issues were resolved, a new HBO regime was already in place.

The Proksa fight was barely passable. A fight that predictably had one of the old lowest all time ratings. A fight that would have been scrapped altogether if it wasn't for GGG's in with Hauser. And then there was freaking Rosado.

Except the promoter of the biggest global boxing stars in the world is a pretty big exception. The point I was making with K2 is that he didn't come nothing. A fighter who came with nothing would be someone without a promoter. Without someone who was paying for the fighters bills while training full time.

[DoktorSleepless]

So wtf are you people arguing? That he had good ability when he moved to the US? No ****.

There's lots of fighters with ability. The aren't lots of fighters with ability with the backing Golovkin got when he arrived in the US is the point.

[HeroBando]

Why are you talking about the old HBO regime? The old HBO regime is completely irrelevant. Universum was blocking Golovkin from fighting in the US during that time. When the promotional issues were resolved, a new HBO regime was already in place.

The Proksa fight was barely passable. A fight that predictably had one of the old lowest all time ratings. A fight that would have been scrapped altogether if it wasn't for GGG's in with Hauser. And then there was freaking Rosado.

Except the promoter of the biggest global boxing stars in the world is a pretty big exception. The point I was making with K2 is that he didn't come nothing. A fighter who came with nothing would be someone without a promoter. Without someone who was paying for the fighters bills while training full time.

Just showing you how lucky he was with the timing. If he came about 5 years earlier, he'd probably never ever gotten on HBO with his lack of backing

Which attests to gggs lack of popularity as well. It was a throwaway date meant for Pirog, turned into the beginning of something big. Rosado was under card, really pretty standard B sider for the purse offered.

Its like somebody signed to MP promotions, except imagine Pacquiao never fought in the US anymore. At that point K2 had zero promotional presence in the US

[DoktorSleepless]

Just showing you how lucky he was with the timing. If he came about 5 years earlier, he'd probably never ever gotten on HBO with his lack of backing

Yes, I agree that Golovkin was very fortunate. That's my point. The regime change was an asset for Golovkin. The regime change is something that he had when he got here. Other fighters pre-Hershman (like Pirog) did not have that.

It would have been one thing had Golovkin had come to US during the Greenburg reign. Golovkin would had to fight on ESPN2 type of cards to build his name fighting for **** money for years. After building enough noise, HBO would be forced to give Golovkin a shot on its network. That would be the description of a fighter who came with nothing. Golovkin on the other hand went straight to HBO on the biggest possible platform when he went to the US. That's something Golovkin had. That's not nothing.

Its like somebody signed to MP promotions, except imagine Pacquiao never fought in the US anymore. At that point K2 had zero promotional presence in the US

Please, don't compare K2 to MP promotions. K2 was actual promoter with the financial resources of a big time promoter, not just a random company made to by a fighter to avoid taxes. And again, that's still something. Lots of fighters come to the US with maybe just a manager, only to fight on untelevised cards hoping to get noticed by an actual promoter. Those type of fighters would still be working part time jobs instead of focusing on nothing but boxing.

Not saying Golovkin didn't pay his dues on Europe, but he came to the US in a pretty damn good position compared to other fighters who are also deserving talent wise.

[HeroBando]

Yes, I agree that Golovkin was very fortunate. That's my point. The regime change was an asset for Golovkin. The regime change is something that he had when he got here. Other fighters pre-Hershman (like Pirog) did not have that.

It would have been one thing had Golovkin had come to US during the Greenburg reign. Golovkin would had to fight on ESPN2 type of cards to build his name fighting for **** money for years. After building enough noise, HBO would be forced to give Golovkin a shot on its network. That would be the description of a fighter who came with nothing. Golovkin on the other hand went straight to HBO on the biggest possible platform when he went to the US. That's something Golovkin had. That's not nothing.


Please, don't compare K2 to MP promotions. K2 was actual promoter with the financial resources of a big time promoter, not just a random company made to by a fighter to avoid taxes. And again, that's still something. Lots of fighters come to the US with maybe just a manager, only to fight on untelevised cards hoping to get noticed by an actual promoter. Those type of fighters would still be working part time jobs instead of focusing on nothing but boxing.

Not saying Golovkin didn't pay his dues on Europe, but he came to the US in a pretty damn good position compared to other fighters who are also deserving talent wise.

Can you give me one fighter that K2 promoted successfully, other than the bros and Ggg? Any fighters appearing on US airwaves

[ИATAS]

He came to the states with dynamite fists and a boyish charm. That's all you need to know.

[DoktorSleepless]

Can you give me one fighter that K2 promoted successfully, other than the bros and Ggg? Any fighters appearing on US airwaves

The only point I've made in regards to k2 is that they have money. tons of it. Enough to support his training camps and other expenses while Golovkin concentrates on his boxing full time without worrying about anything else. A huge benefit that fighters that actually come here with nothing don't have. I don't give a flying **** that k2 hasn't had any other US based fighters. The defacto promoter has been HBO. All Golovkin needed was Hauser's hard on. And again, k2 has actual experience promoting regardless of it not being in the US.

The point OP seems to be making is that GGG doesn't really fit that romantic archetype of a guy who came to America from complete obscurity with nothing but a dream. The fact that Hauser had that hard on proves that. He already had lots of things going for him before he got here and after. Credit to Golovkin's talent for earning these things, but he did not come here empty handed.

[LacedUp]

The only point I've made in regards to k2 is that they have money. tons of it. Enough to support his training camps and other expenses while Golovkin concentrates on his boxing full time without worrying about anything else. A huge benefit that fighters that actually come here with nothing don't have. I don't give a flying **** that k2 hasn't had any other US based fighters. The defacto promoter has been HBO. All Golovkin needed was Hauser's hard on. And again, k2 has actual experience promoting regardless of it not being in the US.

The point OP seems to be making is that GGG doesn't really fit that romantic archetype of a guy who came to America from complete obscurity with nothing but a dream. The fact that Hauser had that hard on proves that. He already had lots of things going for him before he got here and after. Credit to Golovkin's talent for earning these things, but he did not come here empty handed.

Thank god, someone gets it.

[King_]

what does it a matter "what some random person say" lol, GGG is coming up in the pros like everyone before him did.

Why is this comment being ignored?



This is the reality right here. ^^^


Golovkin fans just always talk about him on message boards and Golovkin haters can't stand the attention. If people weren't "hyping" him and getting people angry on message boards, nobody would have a problem with his "rise" (the same rise any other fighter makes. with that said, lets not pretend people in his own division don't want to fight him..... and the only way these guys who can't stand the attention say he'll be legit is if he fights the #3 P4P guy in the world..... in the NEXT weight class)


None of this matters. What people say on NSB really doesn't matter. GGG is a beast, everyone knows it. The big fights will come. In the mean time, he's been ducked multiple times and the only "legit" competition for him is Andre effin' Ward. That says a lot.

[HeroBando]

The only point I've made in regards to k2 is that they have money. tons of it. Enough to support his training camps and other expenses while Golovkin concentrates on his boxing full time without worrying about anything else. A huge benefit that fighters that actually come here with nothing don't have. I don't give a flying **** that k2 hasn't had any other US based fighters. The defacto promoter has been HBO. All Golovkin needed was Hauser's hard on. And again, k2 has actual experience promoting regardless of it not being in the US.

The point OP seems to be making is that GGG doesn't really fit that romantic archetype of a guy who came to America from complete obscurity with nothing but a dream. The fact that Hauser had that hard on proves that. He already had lots of things going for him before he got here and after. Credit to Golovkin's talent for earning these things, but he did not come here empty handed.

Oh no doubt he was on the radar of various insiders. I saw that poll where TR's Brad Goodman had him #1 at MW while Pavlik was still champ. But nobody was sure he was promotable in the US. It's hard to see K2 outbidding TR, GBP if they had much interest. Usyk signed with K2 as a consolation prize afaik. Seems GGG started working with Sanchez before Greenburg was replaced, and well before Hershman started implementing his agenda.