Rafael Article: Haymon is screwing over Wilder big time

[HanzGruber]

you know their might be some animosty between the two that us the general public know about.

they both from the same world/hiphop/rap concert etc so pretty sure they came across each other at some point and all this posturing from each other might just be personal vendettas playing out.

Who jayz and haymon? There's already been rumors they don't like each other cause of the Beyoncé and haymon beef

[Kagami Taiga]

It isn't illegal but it's shady as hell and he controls a fighters life, but makes them think "it's good for them." Old *** does it he's an evil mother ****er, black guy does it and is the savior of boxing lol.

These fighters sign with him for a reason. Thing is fighters continue to sign with him. It's not slowing down. I dunno what he offers them contractually but it must be good enough to make him their manager. As their manager, he's essentially their agent. This us not a promotional partnership. This is a deal for agency. If he doesn't perform the way they want, they can fire him. Thing is, only one I know that has is Andre Dirrell.

[HanzGruber]

It's illegal to act as a promoter and a manager, and that'd exactly what Haymon has been doing for years.

Seems like. Pretty grey area though. Is telling your fighter not to sign with someone acting as a promoter? Also telling them Who to fight.

[Kagami Taiga]

It's illegal to act as a promoter and a manager, and that'd exactly what Haymon has been doing for years.

Not officially he hasn't. Loop hole. Hee used GBP for that. Tgatsxwhy I say it's all in the laws. This is the business world. If u can't find a loophole, u can't survive.

[Fetta]

Not officially he hasn't. Loop hole. Hee used GBP for that. Tgatsxwhy I say it's all in the laws. This is the business world. If u can't find a loophole, u can't survive.

Have my own so i know all about that and its true

[bojangles1987]

I really don't get it, what does Haymon have over everyone? I mean dude is like a mob boss they way he just punks virtually everyone in boxing

There's simply no way he's only a "good businessman." It's impossible that in a sport as corrupt as boxing, one man can have this much power without being the shadiest of them all. It's unbelievable the influence he has and the way his fighters show such unwavering loyalty even when he ****s them over.

[Luilun]

Read the article, i cant post the link yet.

Very, very interesting article shedding further light on Al Haymon and how he is not looking out for the best interests of his fighters. I'll summarize.

1. The WBC continues to postpone purse bids for the Stiverne/Wilder fight to appease Haymon (no explanation needed) and Don King (who has made millions and millions for the WBC in the past). Ok, we know that.

2. Wilder and Robert Guerrero did have legitimate contracts with Golden Boy, but now are essentially free agents being represented by Haymon. Golden Boy is basically a sham promoter for Wilder now because his contract had a "key person" clause which stated he could opt out of the GB contract if Richard Shaeffer left the company.

3. With knowledge of this, Roc Nation approached Wilder with a huge promotional contract that he and his other manager (who apparently has zero power) were very interested in. It was a huge contract with a guarantee of $2M for the Stiverne fight. If there is a purse bid it would have to be over $7M for the fight for Wilder to get paid that much....and nobody is going to bid that much.

4. Wilder's manager who I guess is just a manager in name only told Roc Nation that such a deal would have to be signed off by Haymon.

5. Obviously, Haymon was not receptive to such a deal, considering that it benefits his fighter more than himself.

6. This is not in the article but what Haymon is doing is VERY ILLEGAL. He is acting as a promoter under the disguise of an advisor/manager and is not looking out for the best interests of the fighters which he "advises". Fortunately for him, his fighters are too dumb to realize this but considering events that have taken place lately (like the Quillen situation, the bribing of mandatories and sanctioning bodies) it seems like its only a matter of time before fighters start to catch on. If anyone in the government cared he would have been indicted a long time ago. This guy is trying his best to kill boxing and some idiots actually support him.

Only the brothers support him and a few dumb Mexicans like Guerrero

[arraamis]

rafael is just a hater. haymon should be able to do illegal things if it gets his clients more money.

Exactly!!
Dudes acting like boxing is on the up&up, all of a sudden. Silly rabbits!!!

What I'm getting from all this is that Roc Nation is trying to buy its way into boxing and the other long-time players aren't really amenable to the power play.

[Kagami Taiga]

Heh the funny thing is in the legal world we are all viewed as crooks villains etc. Truth is common people don't understand. Lawyers get a bad rap but real crooks are the business men the CEOs, the Bankers, the Politicians who they have in pocket. All Lawyers do is clean up their messes. But common people don't know that and that's why the same cycle will continue to repeat itself.

[jsmith_tsu]

One thing I find interesting black people joc Harmon like he's a god or something.

What the hell does that mean? Who are these black people and how do you know who is black on a message board?

Tired of these ignorant comments. People sure fast to lump people together with some sterotypes. I dont know many black people who know who Al Haymon is

I being a black man hate all promoters and managers. I guess ur theory went rite out the window huh.