Do you think Pacquiao has lost his power?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I suppose you can read into things whatever way you want to read into it , we can all appease ourselves if we want to , the saying love is blind springs to mind as to how that works , I try to just analyze the hard facts and not focus on the the might haves maybes and rumors , Ive been a long time around the fight game and have seen a lot of things go on within it , some things to me stand out like a neon sign , when Teddy Atlas said Mannys WW run was made to order he was 100% right , fanboys try and shoot Teddy down but they never look at that WW run with anything other than wow go you good thing Manny , especially when many are teenage boys that dont know the first thing about the sport , Im not particularly saying you here just generalizing .

Clottey said he was suppose to lose, Jerry Jones gave Clottey an extra $1.5M, then Clottey completely left the scene, don't get me wrong I found all that to be weird. Even then I still don't think it was bought, I really don't. I would guess people came to Clottey wondering about his effort and he came up with that excuse, which is messed up.

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Simple math:
Floyd...25/47
Manny.....38/56

Like I said numbers don't lie...you can try to reason to your agenda all you want. I'm not here whining about how Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight and he is really 46-1 or how Floyd imposed cws for Marquez and Canelo and that those wins don't count. No one is forcing anyone into a fight with a cw. If the B side wants a fight bad they should agree to most of the a side's unfavorable demands.

The KO % is very close , considering you say Floyd is a feather fist and Manny a devastating puncher , something amiss in your calculations

Your argument is trying to justify why Cotto and Oscar were stopped because of the CWs , it just a fact , nothing needs to be justified , all the evidence suggests they were weakened and thats why they were stopped , to rub salt into it thats why Manny refused to fight Cotto without another CW , even though he was the one that called Cotto out , be like Floyd calling Canelo out now and Canelo says ok Floyd but no CW and Floyd takes of , it proves the original win was about the weight not beating the man , Cotto will eat Manny without a draining CW and Manny knows it .

Dont know why you needed to bring up Floyd JMM and Canelo because they are irrelevant in this thread about Manny and his perceieved power being lost , seems you think all CWs are the same when they are all very different and effect an individual in its own unique way , going up makes you stronger going down " CAN " really hurt you as in Oscar he was ruined and had no chance , Manny was heavier than Floyd fighting JMM and Juan was only 2 lb different both fights and Manny was stopped and Floyd won easy . its appears you quote numbers but dont understand what those numbers actually mean to a particular fight .

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Clottey said he was suppose to lose, Jerry Jones gave Clottey an extra $1.5M, then Clottey completely left the scene, don't get me wrong I found all that to be weird. Even then I still don't think it was bought, I really don't. I would guess people came to Clottey wondering about his effort and he came up with that excuse, which is messed up.

Yep I was very suspect on how that all went down , we will probaly get book revealing all in 20 yrs or so lol .

[HeGotPacProblem]

The KO % is very close , considering you say Floyd is a feather fist and Manny a devastating puncher , something amiss in your calculations

Your argument is trying to justify why Cotto and Oscar were stopped because of the CWs , it just a fact , nothing needs to be justified , all the evidence suggests they were weakened and thats why they were stopped , to rub salt into it thats why Manny refused to fight Cotto without another CW , even though he was the one that called Cotto out , be like Floyd calling Canelo out now and Canelo says ok Floyd but no CW and Floyd takes of , it proves the original win was about the weight not beating the man , Cotto will eat Manny without a draining CW and Manny knows it .

Dont know why you needed to bring up Floyd JMM and Canelo because they are irrelevant in this thread about Manny and his perceieved power being lost , seems you think all CWs are the same when they are all very different and effect an individual in its own unique way , going up makes you stronger going down " CAN " really hurt you as in Oscar he was ruined and had no chance , Manny was heavier than Floyd fighting JMM and Juan was only 2 lb different both fights and Manny was stopped and Floyd won easy . its appears you quote numbers but dont understand what those numbers actually mean to a particular fight .

15% is not close. A knockout is a knockout....what else is there to read or analyze into unless Manny sucker punched someone for the ko.

And if Manny fought and stayed in the lower weight classes his KO power and KO wins would be higher. Enough of the hypoetheticals.

[MRCHOKEaMF]

To paraphrase what Paulie said, when there are drug tests, he doesnt have explosiveness. hint,hint. Every since Floyd called him out for PED use he hasnt been the same puncher, he hasnt had a KO since. coincidence? I think not. Your hero deceived alot of people. Since baseball started testing more stringently the homeruns have went down, coincidence? I think not. As a former professional athlete you hear things about those that use, dont you find it funny that other pro athletes dont consider what Manny was doing as an incredible feat....but what Floyd does is considered Awesome? let that sink in. Even Boxers consider what Floyd doing is legit but not with Pac

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15% is not close. A knockout is a knockout....what else is there to read or analyze into unless Manny sucker punched someone for the ko.

And if Manny fought and stayed in the lower weight classes his KO power and KO wins would be higher. Enough of the hypoetheticals.

Its not 15% its less closer to 12 , and thats only 12 in a 100 , its not much considering that you say one is a feather fist the other a power puncher , the stand out point is your description of both does not show in the percentages .

And enough of the hypotheticals as you finish with one , not once have you addressed the facts of the CWs weakening the opponents , you just dont want to go there , you would not be a biased fan would you lol .

[HeGotPacProblem]

To paraphrase what Paulie said, when there are drug tests, he doesnt have explosiveness. hint,hint. Every since Floyd called him out for PED use he hasnt been the same puncher, he hasnt had a KO since. coincidence? I think not. Your hero deceived alot of people. Since baseball started testing more stringently the homeruns have went down, coincidence? I think not. As a former professional athlete you hear things about those that use, dont you find it funny that other pro athletes dont consider what Manny was doing as an incredible feat....but what Floyd does is considered Awesome? let that sink in. Even Boxers consider what Floyd doing is legit but not with Pac

The same Floyd who has rumored to fail 3 drug tests and miraculously given waivers by the usada on the grounds of exceptional circumstances (money)? One failed test ok...but 3 ? Gtfoh.

The one who quickly overpaid Pac in his PED defamation lawsuit after Pac asked to for the results to his failed tests? The Floyd who is working with Ariza and Heredia currently? The Floyd who has boxers under him that failed drug tests? Sounds legit.

I mean why even go there if you're pro Floyd. He's just as suspect, if not moreso.

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-bo...-mess-part-one

[HeGotPacProblem]

Its not 15% its less closer to 12 , and thats only 12 in a 100 , its not much considering that you say one is a feather fist the other a power puncher , the stand out point is your description of both does not show in the percentages .

And enough of the hypotheticals as you finish with one , not once have you addressed the facts of the CWs weakening the opponents , you just dont want to go there , you would not be a biased fan would you lol .

Ok...So Mayweather's wins against JMM and Canelo have an asterisk to them because CWS were imposed against their will and weakened them.

[junior gong]

The KO % is very close , considering you say Floyd is a feather fist and Manny a devastating puncher , something amiss in your calculations

Your argument is trying to justify why Cotto and Oscar were stopped because of the CWs , it just a fact , nothing needs to be justified , all the evidence suggests they were weakened and thats why they were stopped , to rub salt into it thats why Manny refused to fight Cotto without another CW , even though he was the one that called Cotto out , be like Floyd calling Canelo out now and Canelo says ok Floyd but no CW and Floyd takes of , it proves the original win was about the weight not beating the man , Cotto will eat Manny without a draining CW and Manny knows it .

Dont know why you needed to bring up Floyd JMM and Canelo because they are irrelevant in this thread about Manny and his perceieved power being lost , seems you think all CWs are the same when they are all very different and effect an individual in its own unique way , going up makes you stronger going down " CAN " really hurt you as in Oscar he was ruined and had no chance , Manny was heavier than Floyd fighting JMM and Juan was only 2 lb different both fights and Manny was stopped and Floyd won easy . its appears you quote numbers but dont understand what those numbers actually mean to a particular fight .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade

[HeGotPacProblem]

Its not 15% its less closer to 12 , and thats only 12 in a 100 , its not much considering that you say one is a feather fist the other a power puncher , the stand out point is your description of both does not show in the percentages .

And enough of the hypotheticals as you finish with one , not once have you addressed the facts of the CWs weakening the opponents , you just dont want to go there , you would not be a biased fan would you lol .

You must be counting the Ortiz ko which I didn't. 68% ko ratio pac..53% for floyd.