Who will dethrone Wladimir?

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Well I was mostly being tongue in cheek about the clinching and how Fury handles it. I realize he isn't the 2nd coming or anything but he has some tools for this fight. But you're right. Wlad doesn't really clinch against taller opponents...that's part of the reason why the fight intrigues me. If the distance is closed and Fury is too tall to get over his neck, then I think it gets interesting because Fury does have an alright inside game for HW of today's standards. And he's just mean enough to not show respect and chip away at Wlad before the fight starts.

As we saw in the last Mayweather fight, the ref will have a lot to say about whether there is any clinching and how long they're allowed to clinch. Maidana could've done a LOT more damage to Floyd, all over his body and head, if he was allowed to stay in there for 2 or 3 seconds longer, don't you think? But the ref broke them up immediately. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, I am new here, I don't get to discuss boxing with people who actually know what they're talkin about, I just watch tons of fights and listen to commentators and form my own opinions.

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yea,,I get your point but it still makes me cringe when light hitting guys like cunningham and a couple others can hurt fury so easily with right hands. doesnt bode well for what happens when wlad lands. I agree that it would be an intriguing fight tho with fury's size,,,heart and rough tactics

LOL well he's probably going down in a heap at some point but I like his chances of getting up. I wonder if Chisora rocks him.

As it stands now about that knockdwn...Cunningham is light punching but he is one of the fastest HW's out there. He isn't ranked high but if we were to grade individual attributes, some of his tools would be in the upper echelon of the division. For example, his jab, his speed, accuracy with the right hand, footwork. He's just way undersized. I wasn't surprised he could land a punch like that but yeah I didnt expect him to go down that hard... for what it's worth before that fight I posted that I thought Fury would come in acting a fool, trying to prove he was somehow slicker than USS for the US audience.

[His last fight he looked quite careless as well. I'll reasses after Chisora.]

He's a liability and might get stopped against Wlad but I think he will give himself the best chance to win

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Name the heavy who you think will dethrone Wlad as heavyweight champion. I'm curious to see who you guys pick...or will Wlad retire as champ?

I would hope that he gets ktfo before retires by somebody. Maybe Wilder can do it if he wins he WBC belt.

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The guy has no technique. He's genuinely awful. There's a reason why his best win is the guy Dereck Chisora fought for a comeback fight

The only thing that comes to mind when I think about Wlad vs Wilder is Lennox vs Grant.

Honestly, Wlad will fold him like a deckchair. Easy.

A tad extreme, firstly that wasn't Chisora's comeback fight but either way Scott was ahead in the fight and then the strange stoppage happened.

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The guy has no technique. He's genuinely awful. There's a reason why his best win is the guy Dereck Chisora fought for a comeback fight

The only thing that comes to mind when I think about Wlad vs Wilder is Lennox vs Grant.

Honestly, Wlad will fold him like a deckchair. Easy.

I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list).

The only two People that i see baeting wlad are Usyk in a few years hes Too fast for wlad his Movement will Kill Wlad and Joshua I think hes About as good or even as Good as Wlad but Klitchko Will be like 40 by the time he can fight these guys i see both of them beating him.

Usyk? No man, come on.

Personally, I don't think we will ever see Joshua v Wlad, AJ is a good 3 years away from top level fighters, let alone the man in the division. It's sad but a reality of the current situation.

Still riding with Tyson Fury. Dead serious too

I want someone in there who is not going to play the role. Wlad goes out of his way to patronize both Wilder and Joshua, so it seems to me that those two have already fallen for his game. Pulev has done a bit of rustling and I'm interested in that... but in the ring, I still think he is too clean of a fighter to be mean enough to make Wlad crack.

In a fight with Fury, I would be anxiously awaiting the first clinch. Fury is having none of it. And if the ref gets in the way he's getting tossed too. Fury TKO

LOL well he's probably going down in a heap at some point but I like his chances of getting up. I wonder if Chisora rocks him.

As it stands now about that knockdwn...Cunningham is light punching but he is one of the fastest HW's out there. He isn't ranked high but if we were to grade individual attributes, some of his tools would be in the upper echelon of the division. For example, his jab, his speed, accuracy with the right hand, footwork. He's just way undersized. I wasn't surprised he could land a punch like that but yeah I didnt expect him to go down that hard... for what it's worth before that fight I posted that I thought Fury would come in acting a fool, trying to prove he was somehow slicker than USS for the US audience.

[His last fight he looked quite careless as well. I'll reasses after Chisora.]

He's a liability and might get stopped against Wlad but I think he will give himself the best chance to win

Interesting opinions on Fury. I think he definitely has the dog in him to take the fight but in his last couple fights, he has been VERY sloppy. There was a time when his boxing was coming along nicely but he is concerning himself in trying to make a show and just fight, toe to toe. You can't do that all the time. If he gets sloppy and Wlad catches him, it's lights out.

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A tad extreme, firstly that wasn't Chisora's comeback fight but either way Scott was ahead in the fight and then the strange stoppage happened.

What else would you call it? It was definitely even by the time of the stoppage, and Chisora was coming on. Regardless, Scott is shyt, and Wilder hasn't fought anyone and he'll be flattened by Wlad in no time if they fought, it's not even funny.

He's going to get embarrassed by Stiverne first though. The dude has absolutely no chin and no skills.

I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list).

Yeah he can punch, but honestly. There's not a single person on Wilder's resume that any average heavyweight wouldn't have knocked out too. Anthony Joshua could have walked straight through that resume too. It's truly abysmal.

I think that's a bit extreme, I really can't judge how good/bad his chin is as most heavyweights through time have been knocked out before. But Patterson, who I certainly don't consider a great heavyweight champion, had a far worse chin than Wlad.

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What else would you call it? It was definitely even by the time of the stoppage, and Chisora was coming on. Regardless, Scott is shyt, and Wilder hasn't fought anyone and he'll be flattened by Wlad in no time if they fought, it's not even funny.

He's going to get embarrassed by Stiverne first though. The dude has absolutely no chin and no skills.



Yeah he can punch, but honestly. There's not a single person on Wilder's resume that any average heavyweight wouldn't have knocked out too. Anthony Joshua could have walked straight through that resume too. It's truly abysmal.

I think that's a bit extreme, I really can't judge how good/bad his chin is as most heavyweights through time have been knocked out before. But Patterson, who I certainly don't consider a great heavyweight champion, had a far worse chin than Wlad.

A lot of heavies have been knocked out, but rarely have heavyweight champions, in or nearing their primes, been knocked out by journeymen. So really, there isn't a huge difference in chin between Patterson and Wlad. I think Wilder has the dynamite but I'm not sure he can get into position to let it off. He is too wild and has very little technique.

Fury has the guts to go at Wlad but he doesn't have the technique or power but that fight, in all honesty, is the most interesting in the division by a country mile.

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Joshua would put him away I think, has better fundamentals and hits equally as hard, neither's chin has been tested properly, so it could still go either way but if they fought my money would be on Joshua. . . Although I think Joshua is green atm, a year or 2 and the titans will clash.

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EDIT: Nevermind, I thought the title said Wilder, LOL

[LA_2_Vegas]

As we saw in the last Mayweather fight, the ref will have a lot to say about whether there is any clinching and how long they're allowed to clinch. Maidana could've done a LOT more damage to Floyd, all over his body and head, if he was allowed to stay in there for 2 or 3 seconds longer, don't you think? But the ref broke them up immediately. Am I wrong about this? Seriously, I am new here, I don't get to discuss boxing with people who actually know what they're talkin about, I just watch tons of fights and listen to commentators and form my own opinions.

Yes, exactly. I felt the same way about the Wlad-Povetkin because of the head movement of Povetkin and his shorter height. The referee was going to have a make a decision in the first round because I thought Povetkin would get inside with ease and the holding was going to more extreme than any of Wlad's other fights. I couldn't imagine a referee that would let that go the whole fight but damn I was wrong lol. (And it did not help that Povetkin showed little urgency in freeing himself from those tactics.)

About Floyd-Maidana II - all I can say really is the matchup could have produced a better fight with a ref that would have let some of the action develop. Maybe unhooked an arm instead of the quick break. They weren't even all the way tied up some of the time, he was anticipating and jumped the gun a couple of times when no clinch even occurred. I will say that Maidana lacked the ferocity in freeing himself that he had in the first fight. STill, he was typically staying active unlike previous poor showings like against Devon.

But like beez mentioned, Wlad doesn't really clinch against tall dudes and I love that because then he loosens up and looks like young Wlad..but can he sustain that the whole fight. What will happen during the first close action that Wlad either chooses or if forced to take. Fury looks goofy at distance but in close he has a full arsenal and is ambidextrous.

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I'm not saying Wilder beats Wlad, I'm just saying he has a single attribute that may well be able to beat Wlad if there was a chance that it could happen and that is the power. I think Wlad, of all the great heavyweight champions, probably has the second worst chin (Patterson may well top that list).



Usyk? No man, come on.

Personally, I don't think we will ever see Joshua v Wlad, AJ is a good 3 years away from top level fighters, let alone the man in the division. It's sad but a reality of the current situation.





Interesting opinions on Fury. I think he definitely has the dog in him to take the fight but in his last couple fights, he has been VERY sloppy. There was a time when his boxing was coming along nicely but he is concerning himself in trying to make a show and just fight, toe to toe. You can't do that all the time. If he gets sloppy and Wlad catches him, it's lights out.

I agree he looked very careless in his last fight. There were some big shots that barely missed him while he was in some precarious positions too.