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narveaz beating a guy that's 5'7 is impressive, will have to check it out
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Re: rankings. Surprised Alexander Makhmutov wasn't ranked by Ring when Narvaez KO'd him in 2003. The Russian was a longtime top contender and a tough dude. Same with Morales, who was on a hot streak when Narvaez fought him but later became an "opponent" for guys on the way up. Orucuta was a quality win (twice) for Narváez.
The "number of former or future champions" stat is utter bull****e in an era of four champions per division and a ton of paper "champions." Cuadras is next supposed to fight against Sonny Boy Jaro. Jaro was beaten last year by Hiroyuki Hisataka, who was then butchered by Narvaez in a ridiculously one-sided fight. So is Cuadras beating Jaro more impressive than Narvaez beating Hisataka just because Jaro held a flyweight alphabet bet for a few months? Is it more impressive for Narvaez to beat up a few more former alphabet belt holders or beat young, tough challengers like Orucuta?Last edited by giacomino; 09-20-2014, 04:28 PM.Comment
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People can get pissy about this and it's just an impressive statistic. It's not like people are comparing him to Chavez in greatness or resume. People are going to hate on Narvaez but he's a straight pimp in Argentina that puts on a lot of great fights. You're missing out if you think just because you don't know the names he fought they were all scrubs or that he's always fighting like he did in the Donaire fight. You're missing out and you're being simple. He's a badazz little fighter. I always look up his fights on youtube later. He's a good watch. He's actually pretty slick and a great combination puncher. Great chin too. Almost always at a size disadvantage too. Which is saying something at that weight class. He's a tiny badazz.Comment
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Chavez 107-6-2 90 KOs, 37 Title Fights (31-4-2), 27 Title Defenses (9 Jr. LW, 2 LW unifying with Ramirez, 18 Jr. WW), 25 Champs/ex-Champs faced, 6 different titles in 3 divisions. Just in 140#s JCC had 15 KOs on 18 defenses and faced 12 Champs/ex-Champs. JCC faced several HOF members.Comment
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They say that numbers don't lie but in this case they are certainly misleading. Narvaez isn't anywhere near as good as JC Superstar or Khaosai Galaxy.
To me this is simply a result of what happens when you have four world champions running around in each weight class. Belt inflation causes statistics inflation.Comment
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What you say about stats is true and everything but that's why I think it's important to make a special note that at least Narvaez is defending his belt as the Ring rated number one fighter in the division. So forgetting all the ABC belts he's still the top fighter in the division from a source that from what I know doesn't have any bias for him at all.Comment
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Yeah, I don't get why wins over former champs are worth mentioning. Even if you accept the premise that having a belt automatically makes you a top fighter in the division, it's a pretty meaningless statistic if the fight happened after they were champs. Listing the champs beaten when they were actually champs is probably worth noting. I'll even take future champs because maybe it shows that they were better than what we previously though.
That's why I think it makes more sense to list the top 10 contenders beaten when they were actually seen as top 10 contenders. Maybe future top 10 contenders too. Talking about ring/TBRB contenders more than sanctioning body contenders.Comment
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If just going by Ring ratings, his resume would look like this,
Top 10 Contemporary Contenders Beaten:
2007: Brahim Asloum - #5 Flyweight
2011: Cesar Seda - #8 Super Flyweight
2014: Felipe Orucuta - #8 Super Flyweight
Future Top 10 Contenders Beaten:
Carlos Tamara - #3 Jr Flyweight (after beating Brian Viloria in 2010)
Luis Lazarte - #3 Jr Flyweight (after beating Carlos Tamara in 2010)Comment
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