Top 20 Fighters Since World War II

[MisanthropicNY]

Probably has something to do with the fact that Pacquiao has been knocked out 3 times and lost another legitimate decision on top of that. Add in 3 questionable decisions vs. Marquez.

Mayweather has one questionable decision in 47 fights. 22-0 vs. current/former world champions. Pacquiao is 19-4-2.

LOL this is the idiotic logic that destroys rankings... You're going by wins and losses without counting that Mayweather avoided challenges...

This is why you have to pin point years of prime not just entire careers... Pac got KOed twice early in his career... lost to Morales.. and got KOed by Marquez... the first two fights with Marquez only became debatable when Floyd started ducking Manny and people wanted to hate on Manny LOL.. Manny clearly won the first two Marquez fights..the third is debatable and that is when Memo began to be in Marquez' corner..and Pac still was more active in the later rounds...

Mayweather clearly lost to Castillo the first fight..it's not questionable... The first Maidana fight is questionable...

[The Big Dunn]

That makes no sense... Why is simplifying everything so appealing to people?? It's not about Manny but the Manny who got fouled but the fouls got counted as KOs early in his career... couldn't beat anyone on the list that were near his weight division... and the Manny who fought with only his left hand..would lose to most on the list.. Of course, I think Manny should be on the list, he won titles in 8 weight divisions... but you have to pin-point what years you're talking about.. or else it's silly overly simplified list...

Hopkins should be number one on the list if we're going by the entirety of a career...

Additionally, Sugar Ray Robinson was not that great at Middleweight..he fought Clowns literally lol fought a guy who worked in the circus and fought part-time and had a bit of a fight on his hands lol...

Sugar Ray Robinson at Welterweight was a super force... so let's pin-point...

Sugar Ray Robinson during his Welterweight years was a force... just as Sugar Shane Mosley as a lightweight was a beast... but decided to chase pay checks and move up in weight where his size wasn't an advantage...

The Pacquiao who fought De La Hoya was amazing... moving on his feet, making De La Hoya miss and countering... Pac from that fight on... got way better and was unbeatable for about 5 years...

you are doing the same thing you did in the other thread. you are skewing analysis to benefit Manny. That's ok (I guess) on NSB when you are using a screen name. If you were a professional and your name, reputation and credibility were attached to your vote then you wouldn't do that.

Manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er without question. But if you put everyone under the same microscope (for instance 3 of his titles were wbo and IBA-belts many of these fighters couldn't have won because the organizations didn't exist. what about fighters who fought when there were not as many weight classes, 8 divisions is impossible) you are going to get rankings like this.

These are not set in stone and can easily change down the road. As for now, the point is everyone in boxing doesn't share your distorted view of Floyd or manny.

[The Big Dunn]

LOL this is the idiotic logic that destroys rankings... You're going by wins and losses without counting that Mayweather avoided challenges...

This is why you have to pin point years of prime not just entire careers... Pac got KOed twice early in his career... lost to Morales.. and got KOed by Marquez... the first two fights with Marquez only became debatable when Floyd started ducking Manny and people wanted to hate on Manny LOL.. Manny clearly won the first two Marquez fights..the third is debatable and that is when Memo began to be in Marquez' corner..and Pac still was more active in the later rounds...

Mayweather clearly lost to Castillo the first fight..it's not questionable... The first Maidana fight is questionable...

how can you complain about Floyd not making fights when manny didn't fight Floyd, pwill, Sergio, or kosta either? you either penalize both or neither.

[MisanthropicNY]

you are doing the same thing you did in the other thread. you are skewing analysis to benefit Manny. That's ok (I guess) on NSB when you are using a screen name. If you were a professional and your name, reputation and credibility were attached to your vote then you wouldn't do that.

Manny is a 1st ballot HOF'er without question. But if you put everyone under the same microscope (for instance 3 of his titles were wbo and IBA-belts many of these fighters couldn't have won because the organizations didn't exist. what about fighters who fought when there were not as many weight classes, 8 divisions is impossible) you are going to get rankings like this.

These are not set in stone and can easily change down the road. As for now, the point is everyone in boxing doesn't share your distorted view of Floyd or manny.

We don't have to go by weight classes just go by weight... Manny 105-150; Floyd 130-154.

Manny was willing to fight anyone in those weight divisions... Floyd clearly did not.. so you just want to go by wins and loses... basically... Floyd's resume is weak when you compare it to Manny Pac's, either Sugar Ray's, Ali's Chavez Sr's, Duran's Hearns' etc. Ezzard Charles' resume compared to Floyd's? lol I get it you think Floyd is the best because he's "undefeated"... Not much of a debate if that's your only criterion. Floyd cherry-picked opponents he knew wouldn't able to penetrate his defense and still clearly lost a fight and struggled against Maidana doing that...

[MisanthropicNY]

how can you complain about Floyd not making fights when manny didn't fight Floyd, pwill, Sergio, or kosta either? you either penalize both or neither.

Manny was maxed at 147 lol..that's his 7th division...he made one exceptional fight at 150 against Margarito (whom Mayweather also ducked)..

Floyd hasn't even gone beyond 5 divisions but Triple G at 54
is too big for him.. but you want Many to fight Sergio at 54? lol.. come on..

Kostya was done after Hatton... Manny wasn't even in the division yet you clueless idiot lol... Floyd ducked Kostya if anything...

[MisanthropicNY]

I don't see how you can justify Marciano being on that list.

He kicked Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, and Joe Louis's assess!

[The Big Dunn]

We don't have to go by weight classes just go by weight... Manny 105-150; Floyd 130-154.

Manny was willing to fight anyone in those weight divisions... Floyd clearly did not.. so you just want to go by wins and loses... basically... Floyd's resume is weak when you compare it to Manny Pac's, either Sugar Ray's, Ali's Chavez Sr's, Duran's Hearns' etc. Ezzard Charles' resume compared to Floyd's? lol I get it you think Floyd is the best because he's "undefeated"... Not much of a debate if that's your only criterion. Floyd cherry-picked opponents he knew wouldn't able to penetrate his defense and still clearly lost a fight and struggled against Maidana doing that...

you have no idea what Manny was willing to do. besides, it has no bearing on where you rank someone. all you can do is go by who he fought, when they fought, and who won.

you can downplay Floyd's resume all you want. but when you use the same criteria to evaluate opposition Floyd's resume is just as impressive, if not better.

As for cherrypicking-what would you call it if anyone other than Manny fights david diaz, erik morales after he lost to raheem (and not raheem), cotto at 145, Margs at 151 and ODH, shane and Hatton after Floyd beat them?

Manny was maxed at 147 lol..that's his 7th division...he made one exceptional fight at 150 against Margarito (whom Mayweather also ducked)..

Floyd hasn't even gone beyond 5 divisions but Triple G at 54
is too big for him.. but you want Many to fight Sergio at 54? lol.. come on..

Kostya was done after Hatton... Manny wasn't even in the division yet you clueless idiot lol... Floyd ducked Kostya if anything...

I don't want manny to fight Sergio-I asked you how can you penalize Floyd for not fighting him and not manny. notice how you try and change it.

An unbiased person, especially one voting in this poll, can't call it one thing when fighter a does it then another when fighter b does the same. that would kill that person's credibility with the readers.

If you call Floyd a cherrypicker and a ducker-well the same applies to Manny when he does the same things. You want an exception and in the real world it doesn't work that way.

[Divine Hammer]

wow that's a terrible list.

floyd and chavez sr are wayyyy too high. floyd is more in top 30-40. if floyd is 12 then pac should be top 5. pac has the better resume, accomplished far more, more exciting, etc.

and where is wlad or vitali kltschko?

seems like this is a biased american list.

[MisanthropicNY]

you have no idea what Manny was willing to do. besides, it has no bearing on where you rank someone. all you can do is go by who he fought, when they fought, and who won.

you can downplay Floyd's resume all you want. but when you use the same criteria to evaluate opposition Floyd's resume is just as impressive, if not better.

As for cherrypicking-what would you call it if anyone other than Manny fights david diaz, erik morales after he lost to raheem (and not raheem), cotto at 145, Margs at 151 and ODH, shane and Hatton after Floyd beat them?



I don't want manny to fight Sergio-I asked you how can you penalize Floyd for not fighting him and not manny. notice how you try and change it.

An unbiased person, especially one voting in this poll, can't call it one thing when fighter a does it then another when fighter b does the same. that would kill that person's credibility with the readers.

If you call Floyd a cherrypicker and a ducker-well the same applies to Manny when he does the same things. You want an exception and in the real world it doesn't work that way.

Manny was a 2-1 underdog going in against De La Hoya...mostly everyone I saw analyze the fight said Oscar was going to destroy Manny lol..it would be like Arturo Gatti... I guess hindsight is 20/20...

Manny fought Hatton at 140 his best division... Floyd made a small guy come up in a weight class he wasn't impressive in and only fought Hatton after Collazo exposed flaws...

Manny had just lost to Morales lol... why wouldn't he take that fight next.. Morales was outboxed by a slick boxer...Morales didn't take a beating or anything to make anyone think he was shot...

Shane I agree was washed up against both Floyd and Manny neither one should expect much credit for that win...but Manny's win was much more impressive nonetheless because Floyd got rocked and almost dropped... Manny dropped Shane which has hardly ever happened...

And Cotto at 145 had just fought Clottey at 146... Floyd fought Cotto after Manny KOed him and Floyd couldn't even do that...

[Pigeons]

LOL this is the idiotic logic that destroys rankings... You're going by wins and losses without counting that Mayweather avoided challenges...

This is why you have to pin point years of prime not just entire careers... Pac got KOed twice early in his career... lost to Morales.. and got KOed by Marquez... the first two fights with Marquez only became debatable when Floyd started ducking Manny and people wanted to hate on Manny LOL.. Manny clearly won the first two Marquez fights..the third is debatable and that is when Memo began to be in Marquez' corner..and Pac still was more active in the later rounds...

Mayweather clearly lost to Castillo the first fight..it's not questionable... The first Maidana fight is questionable...

Mayweather is going to finish something like 10-0 against Hall of Famers.

But I don't want to debate with you if you are going to say things like "Pacquaio clearly beat JMM the first two times". You clearly didn't watch either fight.