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  • TheHoff!
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    The re-imagination of Joe Calzaghe

    With one fight Joe Calzaghe has transformed his career. Before his defining night of triumph he was derided by American fans, critics and boxers alike. Even loyal British fans had a hard time justifying how Joe’s career had fizzled out and was starting to become one big anti-climax. Since gaining the WBO belt from Chris Eubank in 1997 Joe Calzaghe has fought and beat no.1 contenders and former world champions alike, but seemingly none of his defences have added anything to his legacy. His detractors have said he is protected, that he has ducked the big name fighters like Roy Jones Jnr and Bernard Hopkins and simply concocted excuses to avoid fighting Glengoffe Johnson. They quote his unwillingness to fight in America, his fragile hands, his “slapping” punches and his defences against fighters they rate as bums. Yet after his dominating performance against Jeff Lacy on Saturday night these criticisms are forgotten. Now Joe is pound for pound one of the best in the world, his unbeaten record being taken seriously and his defeated opponents taken a little less lightly.

    Jeff Lacy was the man who had come to expose Calzaghe, the mini-Mike Tyson who was going to knock Joe out within three or four rounds. As it turned out it was Jeff Lacy who was cruelly exposed in the ring and left in there by his corner to take a beating when the more humane act would have been to save him from the physical and (probably more significant) mental suffering he took at the fists of Joe Calzaghe. Now the same people who were supporting Lacy pre-fight are talking about his shortcomings, his reliance on his one punch power, his neglect of the jab, his lack of head movement and his slow footwork. Now they are saying Jeff Lacy was overrated and Joe Calzaghe was underrated.

    How fickle boxing is that one fight can change how a whole fighters career is viewed. Just as Roy Jones Jnr was derided as soon as he got knocked out by Tarver, going from legend status to a china chinned, big fight dodging fraud. Just as Hatton changed (after beating Koysta Tszyu) from another protected British fighter with no chance against the big names to being a true champion and the man who is most likely to test Floyd Mayweather. Joe Calzaghe has been transformed from a man stuck in his comfort zone fighting nobodies and avoiding big fights, to a top ten p4p skilled boxer who took on the best challenger and completely dominated him. A man who is undefeated and who put on what his opponents trainer called the best performance of any boxer he has ever seen.
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    Roy is still recognized by most as an all time great, not a fraud. To judge a man based off of losses sustained at 36 is a sign of sheer ******ity.

    Additionally, Jeff Lacy is not neccessarily the best challenger there is. We have to see the likes of Kessler, Beyer, and so forth before we can say anything like that.

    But yes, point taken...Joe did very well in what was a FIFTY FIFTY fight. Let's all be very clear about this. The odds were close to 50-50. It was not some fight where Joe was a huge underdog.

    People pay too much attention to Calzaghe-haters as if they determine who "should" win the fight.

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    • MickyHatton
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      #3
      Originally posted by spinal
      With one fight Joe Calzaghe has transformed his career. Before his defining night of triumph he was derided by American fans, critics and boxers alike. Even loyal British fans had a hard time justifying how Joe’s career had fizzled out and was starting to become one big anti-climax. Since gaining the WBO belt from Chris Eubank in 1997 Joe Calzaghe has fought and beat no.1 contenders and former world champions alike, but seemingly none of his defences have added anything to his legacy. His detractors have said he is protected, that he has ducked the big name fighters like Roy Jones Jnr and Bernard Hopkins and simply concocted excuses to avoid fighting Glengoffe Johnson. They quote his unwillingness to fight in America, his fragile hands, his “slapping” punches and his defences against fighters they rate as bums. Yet after his dominating performance against Jeff Lacy on Saturday night these criticisms are forgotten. Now Joe is pound for pound one of the best in the world, his unbeaten record being taken seriously and his defeated opponents taken a little less lightly.

      Jeff Lacy was the man who had come to expose Calzaghe, the mini-Mike Tyson who was going to knock Joe out within three or four rounds. As it turned out it was Jeff Lacy who was cruelly exposed in the ring and left in there by his corner to take a beating when the more humane act would have been to save him from the physical and (probably more significant) mental suffering he took at the fists of Joe Calzaghe. Now the same people who were supporting Lacy pre-fight are talking about his shortcomings, his reliance on his one punch power, his neglect of the jab, his lack of head movement and his slow footwork. Now they are saying Jeff Lacy was overrated and Joe Calzaghe was underrated.

      How fickle boxing is that one fight can change how a whole fighters career is viewed. Just as Roy Jones Jnr was derided as soon as he got knocked out by Tarver, going from legend status to a china chinned, big fight dodging fraud. Just as Hatton changed (after beating Koysta Tszyu) from another protected British fighter with no chance against the big names to being a true champion and the man who is most likely to test Floyd Mayweather. Joe Calzaghe has been transformed from a man stuck in his comfort zone fighting nobodies and avoiding big fights, to a top ten p4p skilled boxer who took on the best challenger and completely dominated him. A man who is undefeated and who put on what his opponents trainer called the best performance of any boxer he has ever seen.
      Good post, the Calzaghe fans always maintained he was this good, as I have said before just becuase he hadn't won a so called defining fight doesn't mean he couldn't!
      I will say I think he has left it a little late though, I hope he has a couple of good fights in him and going of this weekend's performance I would say yes, but he is 33 and his best days are behind him although he hasn't had a hurtful career.
      He has apparantly broke his hand again though! (early on in fight?)

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      • minhdamasta
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        #4
        I agree, it amazes me how quickly a fighter's stock goes up and down from one fight...examples: Barrera after Pacman, Pacman after Morales I. I just don't understand how fight fans can jump ship so quickly after there boy loses. Lacy is still young, he can make up for his deficiencies. I hope he can rebound from this fight. He's still young and with some time off, he can come back like Barrera and Pacquiao....I guess this means Joe is no longer the best fighter most have never heard of. Where do you think he is P4P?

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          Originally posted by MickyHatton
          He has apparantly broke his hand again though! (early on in fight?)
          Yeah, he said his hand went in about the eighth I think. Hopefully he’ll fight Mikkel Kessler for his WBA belt and then get the winner of Hopkins/Tarver.

          Originally posted by minhdamasta
          Where do you think he is P4P?
          I really dont put too much emphasis on the p4p thing as at the end of the day it is purely theoretical. You're comparing fighters who in most cases will never fight each other so its kind of impossible to say with clarity who is better. Styles make fights and you dont really know whats gonna happen. Like most people thought Lacy's power would be too much for Calzaghe but it turned out his hand speed and movement nullified that threat. It's kinda like these fantasy fights people put up, who would win if Mike Tyson in his prime fought George Foreman in his prime...you'll never know cause its never gonna happen so why argue the merits of each fighter and why one would beat the other when the outcome will only ever remain an idea rather than reality.

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            Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
            Roy is still recognized by most as an all time great, not a fraud. To judge a man based off of losses sustained at 36 is a sign of sheer ******ity.

            Additionally, Jeff Lacy is not neccessarily the best challenger there is. We have to see the likes of Kessler, Beyer, and so forth before we can say anything like that.

            But yes, point taken...Joe did very well in what was a FIFTY FIFTY fight. Let's all be very clear about this. The odds were close to 50-50. It was not some fight where Joe was a huge underdog.

            People pay too much attention to Calzaghe-haters as if they determine who "should" win the fight.
            Roy is an all time great there is no doubt but the man needs to leave the sport alone from here on out.

            Someone needs to tell your boy Roy it aint 1996 any more, sombody needs to show Roy the tape of his last fight (any fan of Roy's should have been flat out embarrassed-especially the way he talks about himself in the after math), **** that somebody needs to show him the tapes of his last 4 fights.

            Roy's words are nothing but a waiste of time at this stage in his career...I hope he doesnt cheat the sport one final time...he was as good as there was for a long long time-now he is poison to the sport...leave it along Roy your all thru!

            Agreed?

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            • Super_Lightweight
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              Roy hasn't been as ****y. His quotes generally consist of "I'll fight x" and "I did what I did."

              I agree he should retire. I fear for his safety if he fights Joe. Roy gained something back vs Tarver in the 3rd fight but whatever misplaced hope I have that he will be good enough to beat Joe in 2006 is overridden by my concern for his safety.

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                Originally posted by Super_Lightweight
                Roy hasn't been as ****y. His quotes generally consist of "I'll fight x" and "I did what I did."

                I agree he should retire. I fear for his safety if he fights Joe. Roy gained something back vs Tarver in the 3rd fight but whatever misplaced hope I have that he will be good enough to beat Joe in 2006 is overridden by my concern for his safety.

                Roy sounds like my 89 year old grandmother, he's completely out of it.

                And...

                If he decides to try and fruad the public one last time...he deserve to be KO'd harcore for his crime.

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                  Giving in to his ego to try to beat Joe C. is not a fraudulent act. It is a ****** one. Hoping for someone to get KO'd just because they're ****** means we should all hope Holyfield gets KO'd in every one of his future fights. The man thinks he can still be heavyweight champion.

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                  • Dick Cheney
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                    Say what?? So a ***** defeats another ***** fighter with tomato cans on his record. Big ****ing deal! That makes a great fighter now? I think not. Calz needs to fight great opposition, not the mediocre fighters in his division! Is he a RJJ of the 1990s? **** no!

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