Boxingscene Users Boxer Rankings

[New England]

Boxingscene Users Boxer Rankings...a ranking system by the fans for the fans



This is an expected roadblock, which is why there would be voted/selected members of the rankings committee so keep that **** to a minimum. BTW I'd vote Ward #1

kinda like fubu?

[LacedUp]

I'm definitely down for the idea, but as opposed to have everyone vote, I think a committee should be elected. There's simply too many fanboys, ******s anti this and pro that for it to be anywhere near what it should be.

I also think instead of the ****ty abc belts, there should be a world champion fan belt. For the true champ, not the ****ty paper shiz.

[titan m]

It wouldn't be a very good system because there are way too many crazy fans of certain fighters that hate other fighters and would do way too much to manipulate the rankings and it would only turn into a joke, just my opinion, its a shame it has to be that way around here too.

[The Big Dunn]

The whole champion concept would kind of be tossed by the wayside. We would just think of fighters based on Rank...#1, #2, etc.

That's why I made the example for Cotto. Is he the middleweight champion? Yes he is, I accept that. But is he the best 160 lb fighter in the world right now? My answer would be no. I would want to develop a system that favored the BEST fighter by consensus of a voting committee of respectable, knowledgeable posters.

But the point of the poll is to set aside what you think and rank solely on an agreed upon set of criteria. You don't have to think Cotto is the #1 MW, but you should respect his standing as lineal champion and vote that #1.

GGG, Kov, Manny, Froch-not lineal champs, not #1 in their divisions even though they are NSB favorites. On the flip side-I, for example, can't vote wlad anything but #1 in the HWT even though I think he is a ****in bum amongst a pile of **** which is IMO the HWt division. People who hate Danny can't vote him anything but #1.

We don't want to have a list that looks like check hooks or jas' sig do we? That makes us look like buffoons and ruins whatever good intentions this system has.

[RlCKY]

I like the idea. To maintain credibility you have to recognize the fighters who are actually champions though.

For example I can see a lot of people ranking Kovalev over Stevenson, Froch over Ward, Golovkin over Cotto or Herrera over Garcia.

Sure Stevenson would probably be the inaugural #1...but then I think Hopkins/Kovalev winner would be the choice for new number 1...regardless of what Stevenson does...because the emphasis is NOT placed on Champions. A Champion, in my mind completes something...like in team sports a championship is the result of a season.

Boxing is always happening, it's never complete. That's why I think it should be thought of as truly a ranking system, 1-10

Probably need to have a long list of rules (layoffs, injuries, not fighting top 10 contenders, "robbery loss rule", etc.) to make it work.

It would take a lot of work, but we complain about rankings, robberies, matchups, etc. If it's not in our power to do something about it, we can make our own system

kinda like fubu?

Not kind of...exactly

[Dinamita 03]

I'm definitely down for the idea, but as opposed to have everyone vote, I think a committee should be elected. There's simply too many fanboys, ******s anti this and pro that for it to be anywhere near what it should be.

I also think instead of the ****ty abc belts, there should be a world champion fan belt. For the true champ, not the ****ty paper shiz.

This would be ideal. Getting rid of the fanboys and alts would make it credible,most reasonable posters can give an objetive view on who the top fighters are.

[RlCKY]

I'm definitely down for the idea, but as opposed to have everyone vote, I think a committee should be elected. There's simply too many fanboys, ******s anti this and pro that for it to be anywhere near what it should be.

I also think instead of the ****ty abc belts, there should be a world champion fan belt. For the true champ, not the ****ty paper shiz.

Everyone gets to vote on the inaugural #1 in each division and committees appointed to fill out the top 10.

No "Champions" just a 1-10 ranking of the top fighters at a given weight.

[King_]

I'm definitely down for the idea, but as opposed to have everyone vote, I think a committee should be elected. There's simply too many fanboys, ******s anti this and pro that for it to be anywhere near what it should be.

I also think instead of the ****ty abc belts, there should be a world champion fan belt. For the true champ, not the ****ty paper shiz.

Agreed. The fanboys would have to be weeded out to make it work

[RlCKY]

But the point of the poll is to set aside what you think and rank solely on an agreed upon set of criteria. You don't have to think Cotto is the #1 MW, but you should respect his standing as lineal champion and vote that #1.

GGG, Kov, Manny, Froch-not lineal champs, not #1 in their divisions even though they are NSB favorites. On the flip side-I, for example, can't vote wlad anything but #1 in the HWT even though I think he is a ****in bum amongst a pile of **** which is IMO the HWt division. People who hate Danny can't vote him anything but #1.

We don't want to have a list that looks like check hooks or jas' sig do we? That makes us look like buffoons and ruins whatever good intentions this system has.

Perhaps the lineals can be inaugurated. And based on the ranking criteria, see how long they stay at that #1 ranking.

For example if this was implemented as of 8/1/14...and Danny Garcia fought Salka, that would be taken into consideration and he wouldn't automatically keep his spot just because he won.

This is about us, and holding the fighters accountable for their claims as the best without backing it up consistently enough.

[The Big Dunn]

Perhaps the lineals can be inaugurated. And based on the ranking criteria, see how long they stay at that #1 ranking.

For example if this was implemented as of 8/1/14...and Danny Garcia fought Salka, that would be taken into consideration and he wouldn't automatically keep his spot just because he won.

This is about us, and holding the fighters accountable for their claims as the best without backing it up consistently enough.

Respectfully, the notion that you would support penalizing a fighter that wins a fight because it isn't what you want is the exact kind of logic you told PBP you want to eliminate. You nor I will never completely know why fights we want don't get made. To vote with that in mind makes little sense. Fanboyism has many forms-the boxing hipster/truther/purist is as bad as the *******/***** when they use unsubstantiated personal belief instead of a set of criteria/standards.

Again, i'm all for your idea. IMO it works best if the foundation is wins and losses. then factor in "quality" as a measure of ranking 2-10 with the lineal champ remaining #1, even if its a Cotto or Stevenson situation where popular opinion differs from reality.