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  • Wuckoo
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    Boxnation bias for local warren fighters

    Like a lot of uk boxing fans I watch boxnation. They have a good mix of PPV fights in America and domestic fights. But by now it's obvious that they are EXTREMELY biased towards frank warren fighters, no matter how bad they are. I implore any of you to watch Steve bunce or Steve lillis (who still can't pronounce maidana properly) talk up a British fighter. The funny thing is Everytime they get carried away, Barry jones (the only guy who has actually ever laced up a pair of gloves) talks them down and tries to make them see rationally.

    Frankie gavin-an amateur standout and decent prospect at welterweight. He gets overrated as hell by bunce and lillis. They talk about how he is always in great shape when actually he has had a history of not making weight. He recently got soundly beaten by bundu last weekend. But, like frank warren, they believed gavin had one and want a rematch.


    Romeo romao (yep, that's his name)- they talk about how he is an "amateur standout." He had something like around 60 fights and won the majority of them which is respectable, but to say he is an amateur standout is embarrassing. Romeo never competed for the England team or team gb because his dad wanted to take care of his "dietary needs." If you turn pro at 17 or 18 having never competed in international events you are not a standout in comparison to these guys who win junior championships then carry on to win senior championships. I can say from sparring that the strength of someone in their mid 20s is VERY different from someone aged 17. But basically bunce had him on the show and they were already comparing him to Naseem and Eubank. At one point jones stepped in and said not to make assumptions so early on. If you have seen any of romeo's pro matches you would see he's not winning any titles anytime soon.


    Billy joe Saunders- his guy has some decent potential to be honest. He seems to have good power and some good skills behind him. But while he is strong at domestic level he needs to step up to the big leagues. Guys like golovkin or even quillin or cotto would wreck him. Yet boxnation touts him as the best thing ever.

    Eubank jr- like Saunders has some potential and some good skills. But like Saunders he needs to step it up to championship rounds.



    If you can think of any other fighters they build up unnecessarily please mention them. My this isn't a full on hate thread, they do sometimes justify the hype. Carl frampton on is a legit world title contender who is likely to beat kiko next month.
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    Pretty sure that Bunce was an amature boxer. Ofc boxnation are going to
    be biased towards Frank Warren fighters, they're trying to promote their channel.
    Matchroom are the same really, I like Eddie Hearn but sky boxing has
    A lot of faults as well, far too many 'stay busy' mismatches
    On big Arena bills.

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    • D-MiZe
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      You mean the guy who owns the fucking channel, employs the commentators etc has a slight bias towards his fighters?



      How does a fighter get hyped up 'unnecessarily'? Is it not necessary for the promoter to make money off tickets that his fighter's sell? Like many networks that show boxing, you have the guy who knows his shit and then some **** who's just filler. British boxing is the worst for neutral, objective commentary and that's mainly 'cause the sport isn't big over here. They have to oversell every little detail to make it seem like a special event, at one point I felt like Gavin-Bundu was a world title bout with all the noise and hype.

      I like BoxNation, how quirky Lillis is and Bunce rambling on about some obscure observation. Balanced with Barry Jones and the other guest commentators they have on at times.

      I still prefer to watch fights with American commentary though, especially when it's Brit vs International fighter.

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      • Wuckoo
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        Originally posted by D-MiZe
        You mean the guy who owns the fucking channel, employs the commentators etc has a slight bias towards his fighters?



        How does a fighter get hyped up 'unnecessarily'? Is it not necessary for the promoter to make money off tickets that his fighter's sell? Like many networks that show boxing, you have the guy who knows his shit and then some **** who's just filler. British boxing is the worst for neutral, objective commentary and that's mainly 'cause the sport isn't big over here. They have to oversell every little detail to make it seem like a special event, at one point I felt like Gavin-Bundu was a world title bout with all the noise and hype.

        I like BoxNation, how quirky Lillis is and Bunce rambling on about some obscure observation. Balanced with Barry Jones and the other guest commentators they have on at times.

        I still prefer to watch fights with American commentary though, especially when it's Brit vs International fighter.

        I'm not saying I don't like bunce full stop, he can come out with some cracking one liners sometimes. But they are nearly reaching Kellerman levels of hyping. I'm all for promoting fighters, especially local prospects. But when one of their prospects (like gavin) loses they don't really acknowledge their flaws. But come on Romeo romaeo can't be hyped the way they hype him. There are better amateurs starting as pros who you see on warren undercards who barely get a mention

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          #5
          Sky are just as bad.

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          • D-MiZe
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            Yea but they aren't going to attract many fans if they go into the technical aspects of the sport, which is a shame. I'd love nothing more than to hear a commentator break down the style of a fighter, expose flaws, offer advice on how to counter situations etc...

            A lot of boxing fans are fight fans, so they lose interest when it's a boxing match that goes the distance. If they understood the nuances and technical side of the sport, I'm sure they'd learn to appreciate it a lot more.

            Plus, everyone loves a story. Romeo has a great story, entertaining style and is going to attract attention. What you do inside of the ring can only give you so much, promoter rely on a fighter to have the ability to talk or come into the sport with a good story.

            I feel like they try to push the fighters that would fit the bill rather than those who are good enough to box the bill around the ring. Selkirk is a fighter I thought could've gone far but he's been so inactive. Injury is a bit to blame but there's too many fighters over here and not enough promoters, the big ones have a hard time balancing it.

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            • Wuckoo
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              Originally posted by D-MiZe

              I feel like they try to push the fighters that would fit the bill rather than those who are good enough to box the bill around the ring. Selkirk is a fighter I thought could've gone far but he's been so inactive. Injury is a bit to blame but there's too many fighters over here and not enough promoters, the big ones have a hard time balancing it.
              Yeah, you've just summed exactly why promoting here is flawed. I think if there were more promoters and our boxers were more active then people would take a lot more notice. But sadly like you say they'll get the more fan friendly fighters up front. But that's always the way it's been.

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                Originally posted by D-MiZe
                You mean the guy who owns the fucking channel, employs the commentators etc has a slight bias towards his fighters?

                Who'd have thought?

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