Comments Thread For: What is Al Haymon Planning?

[SamuraiSam]

I REPEAT THIS AGAIN,

WHAT REPUTABLE BUSINESSMAN HIDES FROM THE MEDIA HAVING A NO MEDIA COMPLETE BLACK OUT POLICY????

& you're in the entertainment business to boot but have a complete media blackout policy????


the signs are all there.

That was the original character flaw that I first observed about Haymon to arouse my su****ion about him. Seriously, if a person had nothing to hide, if everything is all good and positive, the person would be open & transparent, he wouldn't be afraid to talk about himself and his actions or activities, and he'd be unafraid to let the public know all about it. He'd be able to stand under the light of truth.

On the other hand, evil hides in darkness, unwilling to let any ray of light to shine upon him to expose his actions and/or character.

'Nuff said.

P.S.--As for the previous conspiracy theory you detailed, I'll have to take it with a grain of salt. But if true, I do hope you stay safe & don't have to live in paranoia of watching your back, and that you can sleep well at night without fear of reprisal.

[Mindrapist]

Agreed on all points you made. And thanks for the link...another interesting read.

It's kind of sad how Haymon brought this all on himself. We wouldn't have to "speculate" and these articles wouldn't have been written if he had been more open and transparent, instead of hiding in the shady darkness of secrecy.

I especially like how he cites forum posters from another site to build his case. You guys gotta be a little more critical of your sources. This is kinda like the article that came out from an anonymous guy claiming to shoot Pacquiao's buttock with that nandrolone.

But hey, what does credibility matter, as long as he supports the #HateHaymon movement, right?

[Mindrapist]

That was the original character flaw that I first observed about Haymon to arouse my su****ion about him. Seriously, if a person had nothing to hide, if everything is all good and positive, the person would be open & transparent, he wouldn't be afraid to talk about himself and his actions or activities, and he'd be unafraid to let the public know all about it. He'd be able to stand under the light of truth.

On the other hand, evil hides in darkness, unwilling to let any ray of light to shine upon him to expose his actions and/or character.

'Nuff said.

P.S.--As for the previous conspiracy theory you detailed, I'll have to take it with a grain of salt. But if true, I do hope you stay safe & don't have to live in paranoia of watching your back, and that you can sleep well at night without fear of reprisal.

He has spoken on the record - ie. the media - several times before and he has a media spokesperson, much like many CEOs do. Nothing new under the sun.

This dude talking about fearing for his life... LOL. If he's really afraid that his anonymously posted second-hand information will get him in trouble, well, he has far bigger issues than the guys he's afraid of.

[al-Xander]

Al Haymon is looking for another HBO that he can fool to showcase his fighters vs nobodies. Showtime only averages one fight event per month. Haymon can't possibly accommodate all these fighters with one network. Otherwise, these fighters will leave en masse. Clock is ticking for him. These fighters will starve sooner or later without fights/jobs.

[soul_survivor]

Al Haymon is looking for another HBO that he can fool to showcase his fighters vs nobodies. Showtime only averages one fight event per month. Haymon can't possibly accommodate all these fighters with one network. Otherwise, these fighters will leave en masse. Clock is ticking for him. These fighters will starve sooner or later without fights/jobs.

That's why he's trying to get that NBC contract, which if he does, will mean a lot of his fighters will probably be makin as much as ESPN guys

[al-Xander]

This talk about Haymon taking over boxing is just fantasy especially in this day and age. You can't even make viewers stick with one channel without touching the remote, their ipads, tablets, etc.

Boxing is still a niche sport. Many have attempted to revive major interest in it and all have failed. You can recall the Contender and many boxing events shown in the mainstream media. FNF is enough for most people.

[Beater_of_ass]

Garcia-Matthyse?

And no, they weren't supposed to be easy fights. Matthyse was coming off a loss. Khan-Collazo was a pick 'em fight. Be honest here.

Besides, even if they were ****ty fights! that wasn't the point anyway. You said he wouldn't match his guys -- never mind the fact that it's only recently he's even had enough guys to do so -- and said he had only done so three times in 14 years.

That was incorrect, whether you found those fights ****ty or not. (And the aforementioned fights were pretty meaningful. Garcia-Matthyse was for 140 supremacy, B-Hop-Shumenov was a historic unification fight where a record was set, Porter-Paulie was Porter's coming-out party...)

I damn near showed you three fights in one night.

And be honest here. Those weren't crappy fights. You're just saying that because you want to prove a point.

Why do you really dislike him? Change resistance? The unknown? Bigotry? I'm trying to understand because logically speaking your criticism of him not matching his fighters is utterly unfounded.

Yeah, they were ****ty fights. Khan vs Callozo is nowhere near equivalent to Garcia/Mattyse which I was actually giving props to... That is one of the VERY VERY few examples of a legit fight. Look at who Rios has fought, or Bradley, or Alvarado even or Manny, or Cotto. Now lets compare to an Al Haymon fighter like Floyd... he's fought Cotto and....... who is the last challege he faced? Canelo was not a challenge, that fight went EXACTLY how it was supposed to go when a forced fed, cherry picked champion meets his first real elite level fighter, it was no threat to Floyd.

Who is Danny fighting next, or what about Peterson. Maybe I should look at Quillen for that insane gauntlent that Haymon runs his fighters through right? GTFO, Haymon is trash for the sport and will put his fighters against the easiest fights until they have to fight each other. But hey, maybe you are right Haymon has been in boxing since 2000 how many stars has he made? It sure as **** wasn't Floyd because that was all Arum and it wasn't Canelo because he is signed to Golden Boy so we are left with... Broner, Garcia and every other soft spoon fed fighter he introduces. It was Berto that's his star power, Berto.

[SamuraiSam]

Just thank Al Haymon for all the rewards you've reaped and forget about it.

This guy, unlike Don King doesn't seem to have a reputation of short changing his fighters since they keep thanking him and all.

If fighters start complaining about him, then it might become a problem. Otherwise I don't care whether some promoter or network has a problem with him.

Are you a member of the propaganda machine? "...thank Al Haymon" seems to have become a punchline about Haymon fighters. One of the members here even has it as a meme in his avatar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if fighters are coached, obligated or even under contract to say that punchline at every opportunity, akin to saying "I'm going to Disneyland" after winning the Superbowl in order to collect that endorsement check.

I think I also read somewhere about how one of the Watsons gave a fighter a stern warning or threatening look when the fighter neglected to say the obligatory punchline. That punchline is a clever part of building up the Haymon/TMT illusion for the public and the fight community. It's apparently working, seeing the number of fighters who are signing on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of fighters getting paid. Who isn't? And apparently Haymon's propaganda machine has been successful in getting that word out to fighters to encourage mass signups. You also can't fault fighters for falling into the materialistic illusion of being paid like Floyd.

You and a number of posters have asked why there's no complaint from any fighters under Haymon. Well, I think it's a little too early in the game, a bit premature and untimely for Haymon to pull the bait and switch. How long ago did the mass signings begin? Some con jobs take time...the "long con" as I vaguely recall one TV show (Leverage?) termed it.

I have no time or energy to compile a spreadsheet, but I'd like to see if someone can make a listing of every Haymon fighter currently signed to date, showing their earnings for each fight before and after signing, the purses for each fight before & after jumping onto the bandwagon. From that list, can you predict what percentage of fighters in the stable would say, "I can't complain, I haven't had enough (or any) fights yet doe"?

I'm all for fighters getting respect and paid accordingly. But I'll have no respect for any fighter if they just jumped onto the Haymon/TMT bandwagon for the sole materialistic purpose of making the maximum payday for the least amount of risk. That's no legacy to be honored, and they should be b1tch-slapped for cheating the fans with that con job.

Regarding your last sentence, I find it impossible to believe you wouldn't be one of the "new breed" fanboys who will be crying because the network has a problem with him and won't provide the airtime to fulfill the Haymon/TMT agenda.

'Nuff said.

[Mindrapist]

Are you a member of the propaganda machine? "...thank Al Haymon" seems to have become a punchline about Haymon fighters. One of the members here even has it as a meme in his avatar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if fighters are coached, obligated or even under contract to say that punchline at every opportunity, akin to saying "I'm going to Disneyland" after winning the Superbowl in order to collect that endorsement check.

I think I also read somewhere about how one of the Watsons gave a fighter a stern warning or threatening look when the fighter neglected to say the obligatory punchline. That punchline is a clever part of building up the Haymon/TMT illusion for the public and the fight community. It's apparently working, seeing the number of fighters who are signing on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of fighters getting paid. Who isn't? And apparently Haymon's propaganda machine has been successful in getting that word out to fighters to encourage mass signups. You also can't fault fighters for falling into the materialistic illusion of being paid like Floyd.

You and a number of posters have asked why there's no complaint from any fighters under Haymon. Well, I think it's a little too early in the game, a bit premature and untimely for Haymon to pull the bait and switch. How long ago did the mass signings begin? Some con jobs take time...the "long con" as I vaguely recall one TV show (Leverage?) termed it.

I have no time or energy to compile a spreadsheet, but I'd like to see if someone can make a listing of every Haymon fighter currently signed to date, showing their earnings for each fight before and after signing, the purses for each fight before & after jumping onto the bandwagon. From that list, can you predict what percentage of fighters in the stable would say, "I can't complain, I haven't had enough (or any) fights yet doe"?

I'm all for fighters getting respect and paid accordingly. But I'll have no respect for any fighter if they just jumped onto the Haymon/TMT bandwagon for the sole materialistic purpose of making the maximum payday for the least amount of risk. That's no legacy to be honored, and they should be b1tch-slapped for cheating the fans with that con job.

Regarding your last sentence, I find it impossible to believe you wouldn't be one of the "new breed" fanboys who will be crying because the network has a problem with him and won't provide the airtime to fulfill the Haymon/TMT agenda.

'Nuff said.

Terrible post.

It's prizefighting. It's their job. Why wouldn't they want to maximize earning while preserving their health?

Who/what do you think these guys are, circus animals to be used and abused for your amusement? Not only do you on sound naively idealistic, you sound like a mean sadist too.

Would you work in a diamond mine breaking your back, knowing your body would only hold up for 10 years, for $35/hour?

Or would you rather manage the mining company from the comfort of your office - and stay healthy doing it - for the same or more?

Of course it's the hurt business and they are paid to fight. But to fault guys or say they deserve a b*tch slap for pulling a "con job" for doing that is completely unreasonable.

And you know it.

Even if you somehow disagree, then just remember that Pacquiao's manager refuses to let his fighter - whose decisions seemingly suffer no scrutiny - take on Canelo Alvarez at more than 147 because he has to focus on "Manny's health."

But it's ok when he does it?

Besides, all you guys blaming Al Haymon are horribly misguided (or maybe just not-so-closet bigots).

He's a manager. Ask any manager - his job is to make his fighter the most amount of money for the least amount of risk. THAT IS HIS JOB DESCRIPTION.

Now, he delivers more than other managers while charging less. What is there to hate?

If anything guys should be mad at the promoter for accepting the terms, the networks for buying the fights and the other managers for not being able to build a business model that can compete.

He's doing nothing wrong. For Christ's sake, he's even trying to buy airtime to get more boxing back on prime time TV.

You guys really need to stop.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

Are you a member of the propaganda machine? "...thank Al Haymon" seems to have become a punchline about Haymon fighters. One of the members here even has it as a meme in his avatar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if fighters are coached, obligated or even under contract to say that punchline at every opportunity, akin to saying "I'm going to Disneyland" after winning the Superbowl in order to collect that endorsement check.

I think I also read somewhere about how one of the Watsons gave a fighter a stern warning or threatening look when the fighter neglected to say the obligatory punchline. That punchline is a clever part of building up the Haymon/TMT illusion for the public and the fight community. It's apparently working, seeing the number of fighters who are signing on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of fighters getting paid. Who isn't? And apparently Haymon's propaganda machine has been successful in getting that word out to fighters to encourage mass signups. You also can't fault fighters for falling into the materialistic illusion of being paid like Floyd.

You and a number of posters have asked why there's no complaint from any fighters under Haymon. Well, I think it's a little too early in the game, a bit premature and untimely for Haymon to pull the bait and switch. How long ago did the mass signings begin? Some con jobs take time...the "long con" as I vaguely recall one TV show (Leverage?) termed it.

I have no time or energy to compile a spreadsheet, but I'd like to see if someone can make a listing of every Haymon fighter currently signed to date, showing their earnings for each fight before and after signing, the purses for each fight before & after jumping onto the bandwagon. From that list, can you predict what percentage of fighters in the stable would say, "I can't complain, I haven't had enough (or any) fights yet doe"?

I'm all for fighters getting respect and paid accordingly. But I'll have no respect for any fighter if they just jumped onto the Haymon/TMT bandwagon for the sole materialistic purpose of making the maximum payday for the least amount of risk. That's no legacy to be honored, and they should be b1tch-slapped for cheating the fans with that con job.

Regarding your last sentence, I find it impossible to believe you wouldn't be one of the "new breed" fanboys who will be crying because the network has a problem with him and won't provide the airtime to fulfill the Haymon/TMT agenda.

'Nuff said.

I think you and the lot of posters like you are exactly what's wrong with this sport and the world. You have posted several replies in this thread. And they all have been recycled BS, propaganda and catch phrases. You guys are pathetic. You have no credibility and your thought process lacks logic.