Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[tangalog2200]

He can say what he wants. That means little. (He doesn't call the shots in his camp anyway, Arum does.) What means a lot, however, is running from tests while coming up with irrational reasons for doing so.

Not to mention suing the guy you're claiming to want to do business with. He could've taken the tests, beat his a$$ and THEN sue him.

It's just all very flimsy and suspect.

hmmm....this is really far out....

let us go back...

"Not to mention suing the guy you're claiming to want to do business with." what's wrong with this?

"He could've taken the tests, beat his a$$"....are you sure the test issue is REALLY the last issue to the fight happening? what about bob? no ppv? and the gloves?

"and THEN sue him." why after the fight?

just asking....

[damned1974]

their evidence is that he didnt agree to test.

no, he didnt agree to floyd's testing.


pacquiao has always agreed to every testing his sport's governing bodies demand of him and always passed with flying colors.

they say the power isnt there anymore.

but isnt he passed prime?

who has knocked out tim bradley? who has knocked clottey? who has knocked out rios?

Wrong-he didn't agree to USADA's testing-not Mayweather's.

Pac has always passed the same testing that Mosely and other cheaters have gotten to sneak through the cracks. In fact, that is why him and Roach were always parroting "let the commision do their jobs".

...Ironically a lot of people blamed JMM for being on junk when he passed the same tests that Pac passed...yet now Pac's bf's here want more strict testing....yet condemn Floyd for asking for it several years ago....irony.

[Spoon23]

Wanna know what's funny? Half of the users who posted in this thread aren't Paulie fans, they are all Floyd fans accusing Pacquiao of doping.


Remember when Juan showed up with a minefield of steroid acne, they defended that too, but yet accuse Manny

Sad group of people.

Yup, these Floyd minions/lovers will do anything to smear Floyd's arch nemesis. The thing is they know Pac is Floyd's rival, but the sad truth is they don't want the fight to happen. As a result they rather let Floyd hide under their butt cracks lol

This shows how much they fear Pac as a rival. If I'm a fan of a fighter I will wish that guy fights his nemesis. And everyone know it has always been Pacquiao. Even up to this point.

At the end of the day even if this drug crusade ever gets ironed out. The last card will always be.. Wait.. Wait...

NO TO PUNCHERS GLOVES WE HAVE A FIGHT. :gay:

[Mindrapist]

Lol. Coulda woulda shoulda. Floyd coulda dropped the whole OST debacle and went ahead with the fight. Or better still, just went ahead with the 3 blood test Manny was willing to spot him. All of Floyd's other demands were agreed upon. It works both ways man.

Again, you got one cat who fights who they put in front of him,
Vs one cat who fights who he puts in front of himself, only if you play by all his rules. Everybody ain't gotta bow down like that man thats life.

Not if one guy is blatantly cheating and if they feel they had reason to believe he was, they're well within their rights to ask for testing that can expose it when the post-fight test is just about useless.

And asking for announced testing is like saying "Let me juice in peace!" It's so suspect it's not even funny.

[tangalog2200]

Not if one guy is blatantly cheating and if they feel they had reason to believe he was, they're well within their rights to ask for testing that can expose it when the post-fight test is just about useless.

And asking for announced testing is like saying "Let me juice in peace!" It's so suspect it's not even funny.

ok...let me see....

oh oh that young busty ***y blonde is blatantly ogling me....

i feel i have reason to believe she's going to **** me...take my ******ity away..

handcuff her!!!! quick!!

[Mindrapist]

hmmm....this is really far out....

let us go back...

"Not to mention suing the guy you're claiming to want to do business with." what's wrong with this?

"He could've taken the tests, beat his a$$"....are you sure the test issue is REALLY the last issue to the fight happening? what about bob? no ppv? and the gloves?

"and THEN sue him." why after the fight?

just asking....

Thank you for your response. I'd be glad to answer you.

1) Everything is wrong with it. You're creating a roadblock. Moreover, it's a common tactic of drug cheaters on the brink of being exposed. Shane Mosley sued. Lance Armstrong. Floyd Landis.

2) Yes, it was the only issue. Mayweather had already signed the bout agreement. So of Pacquiao had signed his, the fight would've gone down in March 2010.

The reason he doesn't want to work with Bob is due to the whole fiasco with trying to make the fight again in 2011/2012 and Arum's 213,499,444 silly excuses. Arum lied to the public about wanting to make the fight while telling the GB-TR mediator in private "we have no desire to pursue a Mayweather fight at this time; were pursuing Marquez 4 on May 5th."

Not to mention Arum slandering Mayweather every chance he gets while trying to undercut his PPVs. Trying to take money out of someone's pocket is NOT the way you build relationships with someone you claim to want to do business with. Come on.

Besides, Arum went ON THE RECORD and said, "we have no desire to do business with Golden Boy Promotions."

So this is why he said after the Cotto fight, "Arum won't let the fight happen." THIS IS THE REASON why they refuse to deal with him; it's too much of a headache. Notice how fast Mayweather-Cotto got made after he left To Prank.

As for the no PPV thing, that's just a common misconception financially illiterate fans run with. How do they think they were going to finance Pacquiao's guarantee? Merchandise and hot dog sales?

For the record, the Canelo fight yielded $75m (max) in gross profits from PPV. PPV is about 80% of the total money pot.

So if the PAC fight generated the same record-breaking numbers, that would have left $90m to the promotion.

People throw around these crazy numbers, as if Mayweather would've kept $200m to himself. Satellite and distributor take about 50-55%.

Do the math. That leaves about $90m + other revenue ******s (about $20m). So people saying he would get no PPV don't know what they're talking about. I'm not even sure Pacquiao knew.

3) Yes, sue him after the fight. There would be no cloud of su****ion, he would have a much stronger case, he would've gotten a career high $30m+ purse.

Instead, he went and fought Clottey, lowered his negotiation leverage by drawing half (700K PPV buys) of what Mayweather went on to draw against Mosley while only making around $10m.

Add lawyer fees and owed advances to To Prank and Manny was left with little.

Thank you very much for posing the questions in a nice, sensible and mature manner. I appreciate it.

[Elroy1]

pacman is not the brightest star, he couldnt have gotten away with juicing for this long.

I do think Pac used PED's Evol.

Not all the time obviously or else he'd have been busted.

I think he'd used shortly enough time before the Floyd incident for his team to be wary enough about the requested testing regime from Money.

None of that takes away the fact that Floyd was avoiding him at all costs though. I don't think he used anymore than any other elite.

[luisivich]

Not if one guy is blatantly cheating and if they feel they had reason to believe he was, they're well within their rights to ask for testing that can expose it when the post-fight test is just about useless.

And asking for announced testing is like saying "Let me juice in peace!" It's so suspect it's not even funny.

well they agreed to the testing. the cut-off date is the problem. remember the first negotiation, initially pac wanted 6 weeks and floyd wanted 2. when negotiating both party must move toward the middle. guess what when pac move toward 3 weeks, floyd move to 0 weeks. its so obvious that it's not about blood testing- its about having an alibi to get out of the fight. its weird that floyd fans is not aware of the succeeding alibis- there's so many its not even funny. no floyd fans can ever say what drugs pac is on. its as vague as floyd's uncles aside-meth. if a guy is "blatantly" cheating then he tested positive for something.

[luisivich]

Thank you for your response. I'd be glad to answer you.

1) Everything is wrong with it. You're creating a roadblock. Moreover, it's a common tactic of drug cheaters on the brink of being exposed. Shane Mosley sued. Lance Armstrong. Floyd Landis.

2) Yes, it was the only issue. Mayweather had already signed the bout agreement. So of Pacquiao had signed his, the fight would've gone down in March 2010.

The reason he doesn't want to work with Bob is due to the whole fiasco with trying to make the fight again in 2011/2012 and Arum's 213,499,444 silly excuses. Arum lied to the public about wanting to make the fight while telling the GB-TR mediator in private "we have no desire to pursue a Mayweather fight at this time; were pursuing Marquez 4 on May 5th."

Not to mention Arum slandering Mayweather every chance he gets while trying to undercut his PPVs. Trying to take money out of someone's pocket is NOT the way you build relationships with someone you claim to want to do business with. Come on.

Besides, Arum went ON THE RECORD and said, "we have no desire to do business with Golden Boy Promotions."

So this is why he said after the Cotto fight, "Arum won't let the fight happen." THIS IS THE REASON why they refuse to deal with him; it's too much of a headache. Notice how fast Mayweather-Cotto got made after he left To Prank.

As for the no PPV thing, that's just a common misconception financially illiterate fans run with. How do they think they were going to finance Pacquiao's guarantee? Merchandise and hot dog sales?

For the record, the Canelo fight yielded $75m (max) in gross profits from PPV. PPV is about 80% of the total money pot.

So if the PAC fight generated the same record-breaking numbers, that would have left $90m to the promotion.

People throw around these crazy numbers, as if Mayweather would've kept $200m to himself. Satellite and distributor take about 50-55%.

Do the math. That leaves about $90m + other revenue ******s (about $20m). So people saying he would get no PPV don't know what they're talking about. I'm not even sure Pacquiao knew.

3) Yes, sue him after the fight. There would be no cloud of su****ion, he would have a much stronger case, he would've gotten a career high $30m+ purse.

Instead, he went and fought Clottey, lowered his negotiation leverage by drawing half (700K PPV buys) of what Mayweather went on to draw against Mosley while only making around $10m.

Add lawyer fees and owed advances to To Prank and Manny was left with little.

Thank you very much for posing the questions in a nice, sensible and mature manner. I appreciate it.

speculation should not taken as facts. in arguments all party should deal with facts. your post alternate between speculation and irrelevant data not related to the matter at hand.

[KRITKL]

speculation should not taken as facts. in arguments all party should deal with facts. your post alternate between speculation and irrelevant data not related to the matter at hand.

dude must be Ellerbe or something