Is there a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Pacquiao USED STEROIDS?

[Mindrapist]

Plenty of evidence has been posted. all you do is discount it. Manny has never tested positive because he has never taken advanced testing other than the Rios fight.

That's like rewarding someone for not cheating on their wife when they've never been married.

Since manny refused advanced testing for the floyd fight, the only thing we can evaluate is that decision.

Many people feel that is not a decision a man who was clean would make and as such are su****ious.

Manny not taking those test prevents anyone from establishing guilt or innocence.

Don't think he used steroids.

However, I am about 90% sure he used HGH, EPO, cortisone and possibly methamphetamine.

He may have used steroids as well at some point.

The Pacquiao-Cotto fight is one of the most amazing displays of cheating I have ever seen. Of course, a sports fan views this differently; elite sports is where amazing happens.

Unfortunately it's not real. That fight reminded me of Floyd Landis cinching the Tour De France stage in a super human feat a day after being left in the dust.

He took a near-lethal shot of dope, shot up through those mountains like the Roadrunner and beat everyone.

That's what it looked like to me.

Like Victor Conte says -- who knows a thing or two about this combination of dope (he fueled Shane Mosley, after all) -- we should all be wary of guys who suddenly ****e in performance after lengthy periods of stagnation.

If you also consider the fact his dramatic increase in performance -- as well as others' -- correlated with the new training led by a guy known in boxing circles to provide his boxers with EPO with a sudden decline the moment said trainer leaves, it's really not hard to put together the pieces.

Added to all this damning information, consider the facts that this guy 1) ran from the tests and sued -- a common tactic by doping cheaters, 2) requested testing the moment said trainer showed up in the opposite corner and 3) while still having his trademark explosive skill, suddenly looked human; he fatigued, he was no longer impervious to pain and his punches failed to dent a guy coming from lightweight when he would previously leave permanent damage on junior middleweights.

(And Lance Armstrong was never caught, either, by the way.)

All things considered, if one can't see what's going on, it's hard to argue that one is being objective.

[djtmal]

Plenty of evidence has been posted. all you do is discount it. Manny has never tested positive because he has never taken advanced testing other than the Rios fight.

That's like rewarding someone for not cheating on their wife when they've never been married.

Since manny refused advanced testing for the floyd fight, the only thing we can evaluate is that decision.

Many people feel that is not a decision a man who was clean would make and as such are su****ious.

Manny not taking those test prevents anyone from establishing guilt or innocence.

In other words, there is no real evidence

[DeadLikeMe]

Don't think he used steroids.

However, I am about 90% sure he used HGH, EPO, cortisone and possibly methamphetamine.

He may have used steroids as well at some point.

The Pacquiao-Cotto fight is one of the most amazing displays of cheating I have ever seen. Of course, a sports fan views this differently; elite sports is where amazing happens.

Unfortunately it's not real. That fight reminded me of Floyd Landis cinching the Tour De France stage in a super human feat a day after being left in the dust.

He took a near-lethal shot of dope, shot up through those mountains like the Roadrunner and beat everyone.

That's what it looked like to me.

Like Victor Conte says -- who knows a thing or two about this combination of dope (he fueled Shane Mosley, after all) -- we should all be wary of guys who suddenly ****e in performance after lengthy periods of stagnation.

If you also consider the fact his dramatic increase in performance -- as well as others' -- correlated with the new training led by a guy known in boxing circles to provide his boxers with EPO with a sudden decline the moment said trainer leaves, it's really not hard to put together the pieces.

Added to all this damning information, consider the facts that this guy 1) ran from the tests and sued -- a common tactic by doping cheaters, 2) requested testing the moment said trainer showed up in the opposite corner and 3) while still having his trademark explosive skill, suddenly looked human; he fatigued, he was no longer impervious to pain and his punches failed to dent a guy coming from lightweight when he would previously leave permanent damage on junior middleweights.

(And Lance Armstrong was never caught, either, by the way.)

All things considered, if one can't see what's going on, it's hard to argue that one is being objective.

Exactly. If you look at the arguments people used defending Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds they perfectly mirror the things you see ardent Pacquiao supporters posting.

[pjomega]

Solid, irrefutable evidence that Pacquiao used steroids.

I just want one.

YO Paulie! Malignaggi,

if you are reading this, feel free to log in to your bscene account (i dont care which alt account you use) which most likely has red karma, and post your evidence.

ill wait.

thanks in advance.

Not irrefutable evidence, but the fact that Roach mentioned the special Ariza drinks.

[Evol]

Plenty of evidence has been posted. all you do is discount it. Manny has never tested positive because he has never taken advanced testing other than the Rios fight.

That's like rewarding someone for not cheating on their wife when they've never been married.

Since manny refused advanced testing for the floyd fight, the only thing we can evaluate is that decision.

Many people feel that is not a decision a man who was clean would make and as such are su****ious.

Manny not taking those test prevents anyone from establishing guilt or innocence.

lolol sounding like deadlikeme and the rest of the hardcore flomos now LOL

[Evol]

Not irrefutable evidence, but the fact that Roach mentioned the special Ariza drinks.

roach said he doesnt know whats in it.. so that could mean a millions of things. pac could be drinking cow shiiet for all we know.

[djtmal]

If it was up to floyd pundits, pac would be blood tested in between rounds of the fight

[The Big Dunn]

not agreeing to a contract and walking away from the negotiating table is not evidence of ped use.

try again with your awful reaches.

We agree.

Walking away from a fight because your opponent suggested you both take tests raises su****ions.

Asking a different opponent to take the tests then saying no testing is needed when he asks you do same tests is even more su****ious.

I never said manny was guilty. All I said was his actions made him look su****ious.

[The Big Dunn]

In other words, there is no real evidence

Can't get evidence if you don't take the tests that will catch you.

There is a reason ***ish children don't get Xmas gifts-because they don't celebrate the holiday it isn't because Santa is a bigot.

[The Big Dunn]

lolol sounding like deadlikeme and the rest of the hardcore flomos now LOL

You are fond of pointing out that if floyd didn't do the things he did posters wouldn't feel a certain way about him.

Same thing applies here. Manny's actions raised far more su****ions in the minds of non floyd fans than anything Sr, roger, or floyd said.