Provodnikov-Algieri: Where's the debate?

[FerFAL]

I get it about boxing being a manly, tough guy sport. I get it that Ruslan is the type of boxer that represents that feeling the best. I also get that Provodnikov also came close to finishing the fight in round one with two KD, but at the end of the day Algieri avoided Provodnikov (in a pretty damn small ring), outboxed him the entire fight after round 1, landed more, and seemed to be able to keep doing that all night long if needed.. with one eye. Its not just that he ran and avoided the bigger puncher, the not getting hit part of boxing, he was also landing more on him, so the punch the other guy part was also there. Clear as day and no matter who gets buthurt, Chris Algieri simply outboxed Ruslan Provodmnikov, in spite of the damaged eye.
For real I just dont see how anyone can call this a debatable decision, let alone a robbery. Anyone that thinks this was a robbery knows sht about boxing.

[vman075]

It's definitely a debateable decision. It was a very close fight, I thought Provodnikov won but I can absolutely see where people would say that Algeri won. It's true Algeri did outbox Ruslan, but that's not all that surprising, Algeri is a pure boxer and Ruslan isn't a great boxer, he's a brawler.

Ultimately it comes down to what you look at when scoring rounds, Algeri outlanded Provo in every round (including the first) but obviously he didn't sweep the cards bc there are other factors. The fact that Provodnikov was throwing thudding bomb and Algeri wasn't was a major factor. I thought Provodnikov won alot of early rounds to take a very big lead and Algeri won most of the later rounds. I didn't score it round by round the first time I watched but after watching I had little doubt Provo won it, simply bc he was giving out way more punishment than he was taking. I it scored it 6-6 on second viewing, some rounds were close it could have also been 7-5 either way, but Ruslan still won it on my second viewing bc of the two points for the knockdowns.

The other stuff about a small ring and one eye makes his performance that much more impressive but it honestly has nothing to do with the scoring of the fight.

If you don't think this is a debatable fight then I'm not sure what you think would be. There's no way this fight was Algeri all the way or Provodnikov all the way. For that reason exactly is why I felt Ruslan won on both viewings, I think it was too close for Algeri to overcome the 2 point deficit.

This was one of the best examples of do you favor volume of punches or effectiveness of punches. Even if you favor one or the other there were still enough rounds both ways to give points. THere were rounds where even if you prefer effective punching, Algeri landed way more volume and deserves the round, and if you prefer volume, there were rounds where Algeri outlanded Provo but his less landed outweighed Algeri's volume

[FerFAL]

It's definitely a debateable decision. It was a very close fight, I thought Provodnikov won but I can absolutely see where people would say that Algeri won. It's true Algeri did outbox Ruslan, but that's not all that surprising, Algeri is a pure boxer and Ruslan isn't a great boxer, he's a brawler.

Ultimately it comes down to what you look at when scoring rounds, Algeri outlanded Provo in every round (including the first) but obviously he didn't sweep the cards bc there are other factors. The fact that Provodnikov was throwing thudding bomb and Algeri wasn't was a major factor. I thought Provodnikov won alot of early rounds to take a very big lead and Algeri won most of the later rounds. I didn't score it round by round the first time I watched but after watching I had little doubt Provo won it, simply bc he was giving out way more punishment than he was taking. I it scored it 6-6 on second viewing, some rounds were close it could have also been 7-5 either way, but Ruslan still won it on my second viewing bc of the two points for the knockdowns.

The other stuff about a small ring and one eye makes his performance that much more impressive but it honestly has nothing to do with the scoring of the fight.

If you don't think this is a debatable fight then I'm not sure what you think would be. There's no way this fight was Algeri all the way or Provodnikov all the way. For that reason exactly is why I felt Ruslan won on both viewings, I think it was too close for Algeri to overcome the 2 point deficit.

This was one of the best examples of do you favor volume of punches or effectiveness of punches. Even if you favor one or the other there were still enough rounds both ways to give points. THere were rounds where even if you prefer effective punching, Algeri landed way more volume and deserves the round, and if you prefer volume, there were rounds where Algeri outlanded Provo but his less landed outweighed Algeri's volume

Then again, how effective where those bombs that Ruslan was throwing? The eye looked like crap, thats pretty clear and we all know when that happened, but Algieri was still dancing around in round 12 and seemed to have just as much energy and speed if not more than at the begning of the fight! Algieri wins on volume, at least to me he wins in general boxing, and if Ruslan was more effective, shouldnt have he damaged or at least slowed Algieri down some, besides the eye? Thats why to me its a clear win for Algieri.

[vman075]

Then again, how effective where those bombs that Ruslan was throwing? The eye looked like crap, thats pretty clear and we all know when that happened, but Algieri was still dancing around in round 12 and seemed to have just as much energy and speed if not more than at the begning of the fight! Algieri wins on volume, at least to me he wins in general boxing, and if Ruslan was more effective, shouldnt have he damaged or at least slowed Algieri down some, besides the eye? Thats why to me its a clear win for Algieri.

Algeri's stamina was very good but he definitely slowed his pace at the end, also he did very little in round 12, so he could have been a bit gassed. I think Provo's bombs were very affective when they landed, the issue he is stopped throwing to the body after about round 5 and didn't land as much upstairs after that. I never said he was consistently inflicting punishment throughout. He won a couple of rounds later in the fight but I think the majority of his good work was done early on. But early I think he was really laying it on him (at that point I didn't think it was going 12) and imo those good early rounds and a couple of late rounds combined with the two knockdowns were enough for Ruslan to win the fight.

I'm not necessarily arguing your point of Algeri winning, obviously as I've stated I believe Provodnikov did enough to win, but I'm mainly arguing that you said it wasn't even debatable. I can definitely see a case for both winning

[STEELHEAD]

It's definitely a debateable decision. It was a very close fight, I thought Provodnikov won but I can absolutely see where people would say that Algeri won. It's true Algeri did outbox Ruslan, but that's not all that surprising, Algeri is a pure boxer and Ruslan isn't a great boxer, he's a brawler.

Ultimately it comes down to what you look at when scoring rounds, Algeri outlanded Provo in every round (including the first) but obviously he didn't sweep the cards bc there are other factors. The fact that Provodnikov was throwing thudding bomb and Algeri wasn't was a major factor. I thought Provodnikov won alot of early rounds to take a very big lead and Algeri won most of the later rounds. I didn't score it round by round the first time I watched but after watching I had little doubt Provo won it, simply bc he was giving out way more punishment than he was taking. I it scored it 6-6 on second viewing, some rounds were close it could have also been 7-5 either way, but Ruslan still won it on my second viewing bc of the two points for the knockdowns.

The other stuff about a small ring and one eye makes his performance that much more impressive but it honestly has nothing to do with the scoring of the fight.

If you don't think this is a debatable fight then I'm not sure what you think would be. There's no way this fight was Algeri all the way or Provodnikov all the way. For that reason exactly is why I felt Ruslan won on both viewings, I think it was too close for Algeri to overcome the 2 point deficit.

This was one of the best examples of do you favor volume of punches or effectiveness of punches. Even if you favor one or the other there were still enough rounds both ways to give points. THere were rounds where even if you prefer effective punching, Algeri landed way more volume and deserves the round, and if you prefer volume, there were rounds where Algeri outlanded Provo but his less landed outweighed Algeri's volume

thats how i see it.
you gotta be an alt. you know too much.
thanks!

[FerFAL]

Algeri's stamina was very good but he definitely slowed his pace at the end, also he did very little in round 12, so he could have been a bit gassed. I think Provo's bombs were very affective when they landed, the issue he is stopped throwing to the body after about round 5 and didn't land as much upstairs after that. I never said he was consistently inflicting punishment throughout. He won a couple of rounds later in the fight but I think the majority of his good work was done early on. But early I think he was really laying it on him (at that point I didn't think it was going 12) and imo those good early rounds and a couple of late rounds combined with the two knockdowns were enough for Ruslan to win the fight.

I'm not necessarily arguing your point of Algeri winning, obviously as I've stated I believe Provodnikov did enough to win, but I'm mainly arguing that you said it wasn't even debatable. I can definitely see a case for both winning

I'm watching it again and other than round 1, Algieri looks slick like a mofo. I like a brawling style better, so I tend to favor guys like Provo I just have to admit that he couldnt catch up with the guy and was eating punch after punch. With a bit more power Ruslan's face would have been a mess. The punches landed on his pretty clean.
Oh, and these HBO mfkers... WTF? Its not even funny how biased they are.

[vman075]

thats how i see it.
you gotta be an alt. you know too much.
thanks!

Lol I appreciate the compliment but I am not. Just a regular guy who loves boxing

[SeekDaGreat]

It really doesn't matter, the fight was horrendous. Both guys had success at times at fighting their fight and Algieri out hustled a concise puncher that only let his hands go in a manner of doing damage, not to score enough points to win a round (ie Algeiri.) he wasn't doin **** to Provodnikov and Provodnikov couldn't get to him, made for a **** fight.

He landed a ton of punches, a lot, and did minimal damage. Just enough to eek out a close victory for the judges, outside of that Algeiri is not on anybody's radar. Hes another clown, just like everyone likes to say about Provo.

[vman075]

I'm watching it again and other than round 1, Algieri looks slick like a mofo. I like a brawling style better, so I tend to favor guys like Provo I just have to admit that he couldnt catch up with the guy and was eating punch after punch. With a bit more power Ruslan's face would have been a mess. The punches landed on his pretty clean.
Oh, and these HBO mfkers... WTF? Its not even funny how biased they are.

He was, he boxed very well but I think Ruslan still won most of the early rounds.

I didn't actually listen to HBO, I dvr'd the fight so I watched it without sound at about 2am last night and then by the time I rewatched it, I had already read how terrible they were so when I scored it today I also didn't put them on. Although I wouldn't be surprised, I basically tune them out at this point anyway

[jqSide]

Wow. No one is following rules here anymore. Everyone is making his own thread about the same subject. Banning should be enforced here for at least 6 months. You can start with this guy.