Cotto is in his 3rd prime!

[Doctor_Tenma]

Past his prime but still very good. What pisses me off is that he has a lost to Trout, he should go correct that at some point.

[arraamis]

Huge Cotto fan here..

The question is.. Was Cotto that good last night or was Martinez that bad?

The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

I am not going to proclaim Cotto P4P number one because of it.

Cotto is a world class fighter and a Champion. He always brings his A game (except maybe against Trout) and a few times his A game was not enough.
Future hall of famer who is rarely in a dull fight.
But he will never be "great" just pretty damn good. Which is impressive in itself.

An outstanding post!!!! With emphasis on the highlighted.

[Ya Boy NeXt]

Cotto's prior workouts throughout the years always struck me as a bit of lazy. Seemed to laid back during mitt work and even jump rope and speed bag.

The fact that he probably now doesn't have to worry about weight at all and can just workout and eat and still be on weight is beneficial to him at this stage of life. Add to it the fact that Roach is famous for putting his fighters through more intense workouts/drills, Cotto has a new life in Boxing.

Now he can have AB's and still weight 160, whereas before he would have to shrink and be dehydrated just to see a little bit of 6-pack action showing through.

Freddie's the guy who has really brought back Cotto's intensity and attack while polishing up the flaws we've seen over the years on top of it. Also, Gavin MacMillan who works with Freddie as the S&C coach for Cotto and Provodnikov, brings some unique training methods to the table. Short video below.

[GorgeousJorge]

On my home planet of Cybertron, we refer to this stage of our sentient existence as our Optimus Prime

[VG_Addict]

We've seen fighters in the past enter a 2nd prime. Namely, George Foreman actually gained punching power and became world champion after beating Michael Moorer in his... what? Mid-50's?

Foreman never lost his power, you ****tard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever.

[Curtiz]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're being rude / curt here because you've been debating something similar to this in other threads.

Read my post again. I never said he rediscovered reflexes because of a new trainer. You're talking about a fighter being physically shot, which is only one aspect of being a shot fighter. You're thinking of Roy Jones "shot."

And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen. Training for explosiveness, having confidence in your punches, lots of variables can affect this.

I've actually boxed before. Have you?

Let's just make this simple, have I boxed before NO.

Do i need to box to debate whether you can get back hand speed ? NO

Once you hit a certain biological peak that's it, it's a natural progression or else it means you never really lost it properly to begin with.

When you lose handspeed that's one aspect of being shot.

"And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen."
You can gain handspeed with training but that's in direct correlation to your age cap which is always decreasing after a certain point.

If what you say about regaining handspeed is true in the context you say, at the age of 80 I should BY YOUR ADMISSION be able to hit someone with the same speed as when I was 25 years old just by doing specific training ( absolutely incorrect).

What you are talking about with regards to gaining handspeed has no relevance to being shot or not.

[Curtiz]

Foreman never lost his power, you ****tard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever.

This

Plus power is always the last to go they say.

[Interloper]

Foreman never lost his power, you ****tard. He always had it. Even during his second career, he was regarded as one of the hardest hitters ever.

What is with you guys and your reading comprehension?

Did I say he lost punching power? No. Learn how to read.

[Interloper]

Let's just make this simple, have I boxed before NO.

Do i need to box to debate whether you can get back hand speed ? NO

Once you hit a certain biological peak that's it, it's a natural progression or else it means you never really lost it properly to begin with.

When you lose handspeed that's one aspect of being shot.

"And you can absolutely gain hand speed because of a switch in a training regimen."
You can gain handspeed with training but that's in direct correlation to your age cap which is always decreasing after a certain point.

If what you say about regaining handspeed is true in the context you say, at the age of 80 I should BY YOUR ADMISSION be able to hit someone with the same speed as when I was 25 years old just by doing specific training ( absolutely incorrect).

What you are talking about with regards to gaining handspeed has no relevance to being shot or not.

Of course that's incorrect. That's also not what I said at all. Learn how to read.

[Curtiz]

Of course that's incorrect. That's also not what I said at all. Learn how to read.

So you need to realise when you use the word shot it means the handspeed has deteriorated beyond a salvagable point, meaning you can't just go training to get it back.

"Also, I didn't say he was shot because of one fight. Every performance after that fight "


You still said he was shot though & that's the main point.

Which means you are utterly wrong.....or that Cotto was never "shot" as I've always said.