Groves or Froch Vs Martinez who wins?

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and If Groves can go down a division would he have success at 160?

[soul_survivor]

If Martinez is back to his best self or even 80%, he'll beat both, possibly stop Groves and decision Froch.

Martinez v Froch could be huge !!

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If Martinez is back to his best self or even 80%, he'll beat both, possibly stop Groves and decision Froch.

Martinez v Froch could be huge !!

would you say skillwise Martinez has faced some1 like Groves before? Groves also has power too. Martinez also has suspect chin.

[TGD]

Groves looked quite tight at 168. I very much doubt he could make 160 healthily.

[Skip Bayless]

groves cant make 160 no way and neither can froch. if martinez was to move up he would be stopped by both, that hands down ***** aint going to work against bigger men who have longer reach and power especially at this stage in his career

[soul_survivor]

would you say skillwise Martinez has faced some1 like Groves before? Groves also has power too. Martinez also has suspect chin.

Martinez has faced guys who hit harder in Pavlik and Chavez and a guy who is more skilled and probably quicker too in Williams. All those men have a better beard too and more experience.

Martinez has been dropped a couple times and stopped at ww over a decade ago. I wouldn't say he has a suspect chin.

[New England]

both knock him out. they'd be drained at 160, so i don't want to see it there.



martinez looked ANCIENT against martin murray. he looks ancient in training. the dude is old.

[removed]

both knock him out. they'd be drained at 160, so i don't want to see it there.



martinez looked ANCIENT against martin murray. he looks ancient in training. the dude is old.

This ^^

Both Froch and Groves stop the beautiful one, too big, too strong.